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10/10   the WSJ has a pretty horrible dot portrait on here
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119196377029953821.html?mod=todays_us_nonsub_page_one
        \_ Maybe the subjects really are just that ugly.
        \_ It's so they can subtley manipulate the picture in order to
        \_ It's so they can subtly manipulate the picture in order to
           sway opinions.
        \_ Honda's fucked. Civic Hybrid sucks. The new Accord's butt ugly.
           What else? Lame management and PM; the souped up Accord Hybrid
           is one of the many major fuck ups. What the hell were they
           thinking when they created the Accord Hybrid monster?
           http://cars.ign.com/articles/731/731869p1.html
           http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/06/03/no-hybrid-for-the-new-2008-honda-accord-diesel-in-2009
           \_ Diesels kick ass, now that we have better fuel standards I hope we see diesel
              everything.
           \_ That's subtle?
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1/10    I'm looking for a used hybrid/road bike for my sister. $100-150 price
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announced last year that it was building a new plant amid the farms of southeastern Indiana, Hoosiers cheered. Then Honda announced in August that only people living in 20 of the state's 92 counties could apply for jobs -- a move that excluded most of the state's thousands of unionized laid-off auto workers. Honda's unusual hiring restriction highlights an often overlooked aspect of the United Auto Workers union's declining power. While Detroit's big auto makers and their unionized suppliers have been slashing jobs, wages and benefits, foreign car companies have added US plants and created thousands of new automotive jobs. Yet they have effectively kept auto workers with UAW membership cards out of their factories, hampering the union from gaining any foothold where the jobs are. Of the 33 auto, engine and transmission plants in the US that are wholly owned by foreign companies, none have been organized by the UAW, despite repeated attempts. Mainly, foreign auto makers have located plants in Southern states where the UAW has little presence and where right-to-work laws limit union power. When they have ventured into Northern states such as Indiana and Ohio, they have mostly chosen rural locations far from any unionized plants and UAW halls. The moves now are helping the foreign-owned plants begin to lower wage scales. But the company wasn't required to consider all state residents for jobs. Selling Workers on the GM Deal 10/10/07 Margaret Ward is one of the people excluded. The UAW member spent 10 years assembling car components in Anderson, just outside the Honda hiring zone. lighting factory closed, the last of three auto-related factories to close in Anderson. After spending six months on unemployment assistance, she's working at a battery plant. "I don't feel like this is fair to anybody in this area, to anybody in the state," she says. Under the National Labor Relations Act, companies cannot discriminate against workers because of affiliation with a union. They are, however, allowed to restrict hiring to certain geographical areas if they have a legitimate business reason for doing so, a spokeswoman for the National Labor Relations Board said. UAW officials are gathering information in hopes of filing official complaints with the NLRB or possibly the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Honda spokesman David Iida said the Greensburg hiring policy is not intended to prevent union members from applying. The auto maker just wants workers to live within an hour's drive of the plant so they can get to work on time even in bad weather, he said. The area does include a UAW-organized plant in Indianapolis and one organized by the International Union of Electrical Workers in Connersville, both of which closed and together idled about 1,500 people. Honda won't accept applicants from outside the hiring zone who would be willing to move into it, Mr Iida said, because that could slow down Honda's "aggressive launch schedule" to start production in late 2008. Many UAW members don't believe Honda's rationale, noting thousands of workers from shuttered or downsized plants in Muncie, Fort Wayne and Kokomo are excluded along with those who worked in Anderson. "I've probably had 100 people ask me what's going on down there because they can't apply for jobs," said Ollie Dixon, a city councilman in Anderson and vice president of UAW Local 663. They don't want people who are going to go in there and support the union." Some states have required that companies benefiting from government incentives spread the rewards broadly. Mitch Daniels said that Honda, as a private company, is free to define its hiring process as it wishes. The first-term Republican, known for dissolving the unions representing state employees after his election, didn't discuss the hiring policy with Honda while negotiating to bring the plant to Greensburg, the spokeswoman said; Greensburg Mayor Frank Manus says he also was initially unaware of Honda's plan. But in a telephone interview, he said he believed a desire to keep its plant nonunion was "certainly a factor" in the company's decision to restrict its hiring. Honda plans to hire 2,000 production workers in Greensburg, where basic wages will start at just under $15 hourly and rise to $18 over the next two years. In Big Three assembly plants, UAW workers get about $26 an hour. Until recently, nonunionized plants owned by foreign auto makers have paid close to that -- about $24 an hour -- which helped damp worker interest in unions. As eroding membership and contract concessions hurt the UAW's ability to keep up a wage standard, foreign makers have begun lowering what they offer. In Greensburg and elsewhere, wages are pegged to the average of all manufacturing jobs in the areas, not just auto plants. Indianapolis, about 50 miles northwest of Greensburg, is the only big city in Honda's hiring zone. It also is the only place in the hiring area where major UAW locals are located. The rest of the zone is predominantly rural and has few manufacturing workers. UAW members in Indianapolis are free to seek jobs in Greensburg, Mr Iida says. Ms Ward counters that despite some layoffs, most UAW members in Indianapolis are employed and don't need Honda jobs, unlike in Anderson. "We have a lot of people in Anderson who need jobs, but we can't apply," she says. It ended up hiring workers from 60 of Alabama's 67 counties, according to the company. The state, which had provided Honda with $158 million in incentives, required the company to consider workers from across the state. "We wanted to spread the opportunity across our state and wanted plants to be able to hire the best people in the state," said Calvin Miller, director of the Alabama's Talladega County Economic Development Authority. also opened a plant in Alabama in 2005 and accepted job applications statewide as a condition of Alabama's incentive plan, said Hyundai spokesman Robert Burns. put a plant in Indiana, in Princeton in the southwest corner of the state, anyone from Indiana was allowed to apply for a job. But in the end Toyota hired almost all of the workers from within 50 miles of the plant, a Toyota spokesman said. At Toyota's new truck plant in San Antonio, skilled tradesmen were hired from as far away as the Midwest, the spokesman said, but neither plant has unionized. African-American leaders also have questioned whether Honda's hiring plan discriminates against black workers. The population of the 20-county hiring zone is 80% white, with almost all of the nonwhites living in Marion County, where Indianapolis is located. In the hiring zone's other 19 counties, the population is 96% white. "I think it's wrong and unfair," said James Burgess, president of the Madison County NAACP in Anderson, of Honda's hiring policy. A racial-discrimination argument defeated a hiring policy Honda used in the 1980s when it expanded two plants in rural Ohio and gave preference to applicants who lived within 30 miles of the facilities. That excluded residents of Columbus, the nearest large city to both plants, with a large African-American population, while the population within the hiring zone was overwhelmingly white. Honda settled a complaint by the EEOC by paying 370 black and women workers $6 million and offering them jobs. In Greensburg, Honda is working hard to encourage minorities to apply for jobs, said company spokesman Jeffrey Smith. Indianapolis was specifically included in the hiring zone to open the door to African-American applicants, he said, and Honda invited black leaders to the groundbreaking and has advertised in minority newspapers. The Greensburg plant, he added, "will be a diverse and inclusive workplace." Honda built its first US auto plant in 1982 in Marysville, Ohio, and Toyota soon added its first wholly owned plant in Georgetown, Ky. In the 1990s, more foreign auto plants sprang up: BMW AG in Spartanburg, SC; Southern states provided a safe haven from UAW influence that permeates Big Three auto plants in the Midwest. In right-to-work states, unions can't force employees to join or pay dues. By 2005, Honda had three assembly plants in the US and was looking for...
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But many cars, such as the Honda Accord Hybrid, make our jobs difficult. It does everything it's supposed to do well, but it does so without being exceptionally stellar. It's hard to get excited about a car that feels no more exciting than your average washing machine. To be honest, it's quite shocking that the Accord Hybrid feels so... We really liked the 6-speed manual Accord V6 coupe because it was everything that its competition wasn't: sporty and fun-to-drive. When the people at Honda told us that the Accord Hybrid sedan's hybrid system was designed more for a performance boost than overall fuel savings, we imagined it would be a "poor-man's" version of the Lexus GS 450h. However, rather than being an affordable gentlemen's sports sedan, driving this large Honda hybrid shows that its appearance and driving dynamics were tuned more for the suburban-dwelling, kid-raising, grocery-getting mom. The Accord does have some very clean, if uninspired, lines -- which means the Accord Hybrid looks just like a basic sedan. There's nothing about its appearance that's eye-catching, stunning, unusual or quirky. Considering that the Accord Coupe looks reasonably attractive (especially when clad with Honda-made HFP parts), it's kind of a bummer to see this "performance-oriented" hybrid look so sedate. If one is going to pay a $3,000 premium for a high-end "sporty" Accord, one would expect to see the car sport some kind of factory-installed (tasteful) visual cues that set it apart from its entry-level counterparts. The one positive thing about the Accord's simple and clean (and average) shape is that a few tasteful aero pieces can do a lot to make the car look really good. Only you tuner guys will get this next statement, but you know how Honda was able to make the ugly-as-sin EP Civic hatch turn into the attractive-and-sporty-looking Type R with just a few aero pieces? We feel that if Honda tried that with this car, it would have a pure stunner. The interior of the Accord Hybrid sedan is just like the outside, cleanly functional and not-at-all offending to the senses. Of course, by not offending anyone's senses, the Accord's interior is also nothing special. Our test car came equipped with the standard luxury features -- all in a dark gray/black finish: in-dash touch-screen nav unit, heated leather seating surfaces and so forth, but nothing really "wows" us. This interior is very acceptable and appliance-like in its ease of use and practicality, but it feels as if it was designed by a committee of retired PTA members. The Accord's cabin doesn't look as cool as the ones found in the Fit or Civic. It also doesn't feel as luxurious as the cockpit of a fully-loaded TSX. As always, the Accord's interior boasts a high level of fit-and-finish, but that can't change the fact that we feel the design is just average and middle-of-the-road. We could forgive all of these features if the "performance-minded" Accord Hybrid was a performance wolf in fuel-efficient sheep's clothing -- but it isn't. It has a nice, comfortable and quiet ride, and it is sure to be more than acceptable to the people who want a gas/electric Accord. The electric-assisted V6 is said to be good for 255 horsepower, but as it's mated to a power (and performance)-robbing automatic transmission, the Accord Hybrid doesn't feel sporty off the line. This sedan also doesn't like to keep a firm grip on twisty roads and freeway on-ramps (likely due to the car's OE-supplied all-season tires), further robbing this hybrid of any sporty feeling it could have had. But it drives like a fine family sedan -- like a Camry, for example. There's nothing offensive about the way the car behaves, and it's rather comfortable, but there's really nothing memorable about the drive. In fact, one can practically forget about the drive while driving the Accord. Great for people that only care about getting from point A to point B -- you know, the type of people that view their car as nothing more than a large appliance. "It's not supposed to be a race car -- it's supposed to save gas!" According to our Accord's on-board computer, we averaged just under 26 miles per gallon in mixed driving conditions. That's not bad fuel economy by any means -- in fact, that's on par with the combined MPG of the four-cylinder Accord. As it stands, the Honda Accord Hybrid sedan is outstanding at being an average car. It delivers average styling, average comfort and average performance -- but at an above average cost. Which brings us to the question, why buy an Accord Hybrid Sedan? The only reason we can think of is that people feel really good about themselves after spending $5,000 more for a car with a "hybrid" badge on it. Our recommendation: save the cash and pick up a regular Accord.
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Honda After the rather dismal sales of the current generation Accord hybrid, Honda has apparently decided not to offer a hybrid version of the new 2008 Accord due this fall. Honda will focus the hybrid applications on smaller cars like the Civic and the new hybrid-only model they have coming for 2009. Larger models like the Accord will instead use Honda's new fifty-state diesel engine that is coming in 2009. When the hybrid Accord was introduced in 2004 the IMA system was paired up with the V-6 engine instead of the smaller four cylinder. The more expensive Accord was marketed as more of a performance upgrade than an efficiency improvement which proved to be a tough sell. Editorial: Green cars for the middle-class: A market segment left wanting? Im love the Insight, and the next "version" of it would be awesome! Diesel as clean as gas without having to add urea to the car. bioburner 3 I think it is great that Honda will offer Diesels, I hope that they release it sooner than 2009, all we have right now is European offerings, we need some cost effective solutions. Arnold Ramsaran 4 Now the BIG question: How will Honda's mileage-robbing diesel emission controls react when we put B20 or B100 into the tank? There won't be any sulphur and not nearly as much particulate matter to scrub - bet the computers get confused! Same probably goes for VW's 2008 "Clean Diesel" engine... Bio_Homebrewer Add your comments Please keep your comments relevant to this blog entry. Email addresses are never displayed, but they are required to confirm your comments. When you enter your name and email address, you'll be sent a link to confirm your comment, and a password. To create a live link, simply type the URL (including http://) or email address and we will make it a live link for you. Line breaks and paragraphs are automatically converted -- no need to use <p> or <br> tags.