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10/5    Republicans trying to stack the deck in the Federal Elections
        Commission by either nominating a known voter suppression
        specialist or by allowing Bush to make recess appointments.
        http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004396.php \_ Uhm, the FEC
        is always 3 D and 3 R.  What deck are you talking
           about?  \_ Read the article.  Just because it is 3d and 3r
           doesn't mean
              it should be a body staffed by people who make partisan
              choices the number one priority.  Just like the Justice
              department should strive for being non partisan.  \_
              I read the article before posting and a pile of the blog
                 responses as well.  Everything in DC is staffed by
                 partisan hacks with the _possible_ exception of the GAO.
                 Maybe.  I'm not impressed with the need to screw up the
                 FEC just so this one guy doesn't join them for a term.
                 What was in the article that explains exactly what is
                 so horrible about him anyway?  Unless he's out raping
                 nuns and sheep and sheep nuns it isn't important and no
                 I don't care which party he's a member of.  There are
                 partisan hacks and plenty of em from both sides all over
                 the place.  And frankly, what is so wrong with being a
                 partisan in a 2 party confrontational system?  Lack of
                 partisanship just reduces us to one party like so many
                 petty totalitarian regimes.  Bring on the partisans of
                 all parties, I say.
        \_ Uhm, the FEC is always 3 D and 3 R.  What deck are you talking
           about?
           \_ Read the article.  Just because it is 3d and 3r doesn't mean
           \_ Read the article.  Just because it is 3d and 3r
              doesn't mean
              it should be a body staffed by people who make partisan
              choices the number one priority.  Just like the Justice
              department should strive for being non partisan.
              \_ I read the article before posting and a pile of the blog
                 responses as well.  Everything in DC is staffed by partisan
                 hacks with the _possible_ exception of the GAO.  Maybe.
                 I'm not impressed with the need to screw up the FEC just so
                 this one guy doesn't join them for a term.  What was in the
                 article that explains exactly what is so horrible about him
                 anyway?  Unless he's out raping nuns and sheep and sheep nuns
                 it isn't important and no I don't care which party he's a
                 member of.  There are partisan hacks and plenty of em from
                 both sides all over the place.  And frankly, what is so wrong
                 with being a partisan in a 2 party confrontational system?
                 Lack of partisanship just reduces us to one party like so
                 many petty totalitarian regimes.  Bring on the partisans of
                 responses as well.  Everything in DC is staffed by
                 partisan hacks with the _possible_ exception of the GAO.
                 Maybe.  I'm not impressed with the need to screw up the
                 FEC just so this one guy doesn't join them for a term.
                 What was in the article that explains exactly what is
                 so horrible about him anyway?  Unless he's out raping
                 nuns and sheep and sheep nuns it isn't important and no
                 I don't care which party he's a member of.  There are
                 partisan hacks and plenty of em from both sides all over
                 the place.  And frankly, what is so wrong with being a
                 partisan in a 2 party confrontational system?  Lack of
                 partisanship just reduces us to one party like so many
                 petty totalitarian regimes.  Bring on the partisans of
                 all parties, I say.
                 \_ You know, it is hard to believe after Clinton and Bush,
                    but there used to be a time when it wasn't like this.
                    Presidents actually used to put members of the other
                    party on their cabinet and the qualifications of your
                    staff mattered at least as much as your loyalty.
                    \_ Ronald Reagan hired people who were highly
                       qualified and loyal. Ronald Reagan was GOD.  -GOP
                    \_ One word:  Bork.
                       \_ You know after Bork got 'Borked' he has spent the
                          last 20 years writing opinions and articles and
                          papers proving he is the extreme far right
                          nutcase everyone suspected he would be.
                          \_ Futher proof that smoking dope does not give
                             you some kind of liberal disease. Suck it,
                             Rush.
                          \_ But you're ok with extreme left wingers on the
                             court, yes?  Someone asked how we got this way.
                             The answer is the left viciously attacked Bork
                             on his beliefs not his legal skills as a judge.
                             The rest was history.
                             \_ My memory is not so hot.  Who was the last
                                extreme left winger on the court?  Also, Bork
                                \_ Still there now.
                                is a bad example for all of us on the motd.
                                He is/was/will continue to be totally
                                completely out in space.  I am 100 percent
                                glad he did not get confirmed.  I dont think
                                you'd want to live in a world either that has
                                him as a Justice.  Hey can we argue about
                                Clarence Thomas now?
                                \_ Whoop-dee-damn-doo.
                                \_ I didn't say you would like him.  I said
                                   where that sort of thing started in the
                                   modern era.
                             \_ Your history needs lots and lots of work.
                                Trying looking up "FDR, Supreme Court packing
                                of," "Johnson, Abe Fortas nomination," etc.
                                \_ Please join us when you can get on topic.
                                   Thanks.  You topic is interesting but
                                   unrelated.
                \_ I think clinton had a few republicans in his cabinet?
                   Lincoln's cabinet was kind of split, half always agreed
                   with him, the other half thought he sucked, but he insisted
                   they all stfu and press on with his agenda when he made
                   a decision (I'm talking about the emancipation).  I think
                   everyone thought Roosevelt was god.  I haven't read much
                   about Nixon's cabinet.  Isn't it funny how the Nixon
                   era seems like a delightful spring breeze now?
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Paul Kiel - October 5, 2007, 5:06PM For Democrats, the stakes are high for Hans von Spakovsky's nomination to the Federal Election Commission. They say that a man who politicized the Justice Department and worked to disenfranchise voters has no place on the body regulating election issues. But the stakes for the fallout from his confirmation battle may be even higher. Right now, the fight over von Spakovsky's nomination is at a stalemate. Senate Republicans insist that if von Spakovsky isn't confirmed, then none of the other three nominees to the Federal Elections Commission will get a vote. In holding the other three nominees hostage, the Republicans have a clear strategy. The commission typically has six members, three of them Republicans and three Democrats. If the Senate did not vote on any of the four nominees up for confirmation, then the commission would be down to only two members by the end of the year, which would effectively incapacitate it. To prevent that from happening, President Bush could stock the commission with recess appointees while Congress was out of session. Either one of those scenarios is "fraught with potential danger," Fred Wertheimer, the executive director of the nonpartisan watchdog Democracy 21, told me. If the FEC were crippled, that would be bad, he said, creating a situation where outside groups funded by millionaires (like the Swift Boat Vets) could run amok in a campaign year. "That would be a license to steal and to completely ignore campaign finance laws." But if the commission were stocked with the president's appointees, that would be much worse. "You could have an agency that leaves one party free to do whatever it wants, while raising concerns that the other party is breaking the law. "The whole fight at the Justice Department over the firing of the US attorneys has arisen over misusing the criminal justice system in order to influence political results.... Now, if you don't get some legitimate form of a commission ready to go for the 2008 election, you face the same danger, except with far greater stakes involved, mainly the presidency, the Senate and House -- who wins and who loses." Civil Rights Division Advertisement Comments (20) oleeb wrote on October 5, 2007 5:32 PM: As though the only alternative is to take Bush's offer or forget it? Typical lilly-livered Democrats in Washington if you ask me. First, all confirmations for everything should be halted until the Dictator agrees to withdraw our troops from Iraq beginning as soon as possible and concluding no later than December 2008. Second, any BS nominee Bush puts up who clearly is nothing but a malevolent hack should be rejected out of hand. If he wants to nominate people then he needs to nominate people who are not clearly opposed to the policies they are to enforce and who do not have a history of partisan dirty tricks as does Baron Von Spakovsky. 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Hoilday spirits would be raised worldwide this year if we could sing: Joy to the World George Bush is Gone. LawyerSmith wrote on October 5, 2007 5:47 PM: No more recesses. Stay in session and while in session, draw up articles of impeachment and stop the madness. Some say there aren't enough votes to convict on impeachment - that can't be known until the trial in the Senate commences and after the evidence is heard, and after all the criminality of this adminstration is laid out for the public to see, there may not be a Pub left who won't vote for impeachment. Confront this President now or the next one will be much worse, no matter who it is. Five of Diamonds wrote on October 5, 2007 5:51 PM: All commenters here are right. By cowering to Republican strong-arming, they are empowering more of the same. Shadow Wolf wrote on October 5, 2007 6:06 PM: ARG & Augustine - impeachment would do NOTHING. 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The RNC has great plans for disenfranchising voters in 2008; this just makes it slightly easier & the Dems can cry crocodile tears all the while. joejoejoe wrote on October 5, 2007 6:49 PM: "No FEC is far better than one that has no integrity." urbino wrote on October 5, 2007 6:53 PM: I'm certainly not an expert on the FEC, but as an outside observer of past elections, I frankly don't see how having the FEC "crippled" during next year would be a problem. Maybe they do a lot that we don't hear about, but I've never SEEN an instance where the FEC responded immediately, anyway. They take the complaint and maybe start an investigation, and sometime the following year you might hear about a fine or whatnot. They don't need a fully staffed board to accept complaints. If it's leave it unstaffed for a cycle or allow someone who fundamentally doesn't believe in the right to vote to be a member, that's not even a difficult choice: leave it unstaffed for a cycle. 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