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2007/10/1-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:48217 Activity:moderate
10/01   Military deaths way down for the last few months.
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
        \_ This is great news. Maybe the surge really is working.
           \_ Not sure if you're trolling or not, but just in case...
              The Iraqi insurgents aren't stupid.  They're just lying low
              until we leave, so they can really start killing off
              $RIVAL_SECT.  It doesn't matter if we're there or not. I guess
              it matters as in if we're there, we lose soldiers or they
              horribly maimed for no reason.
              \_ So if our being there reduces the death totals don't we have
                 a moral obligation to stay?
           \_ yeah, who cares if Iraqies are dying
              \_ If you had RTFA, you'd see Iraqi deaths are down too, moron.
                 "More dramatic, however, was the decline in Iraqi civilian,
                 police and military deaths."
                 \_ Unfortunately there was an 2000% increase in the number
                    of Iraqis who "slipped in the bathtub"
                    \_ There are bathtubs in Iraqi home?  I thought it was a
                       third world country.
                       \_ It's a post-apocalyptic third world country. They
                          used to have all sorts of amenities. Now they have
                          the remnants.
                       \_ Did no one pick up on the "if you get shot in the
                          face it's ok" killing reclassification reference?
                          \_ I'm not ok being shot in the face, thanks though.
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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
AP Iraqi deaths fall by 50 percent By STEVEN R HURST, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 6 minutes ago BAGHDAD - The number of American troops and Iraqi civilians killed in the war fell in September to levels not seen in more than a year. The US military said the lower count was at least partly a result of new strategies and 30,000 additional US forces deployed this year. Click Here Although it is difficult to draw conclusions from a single month's tally, the figures could suggest US-led forces are making headway against extremist factions and disrupting their ability to strike back. The US military toll for September was 64, the lowest since July 2006, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press from death announcements by the American command and Pentagon. More dramatic, however, was the decline in Iraqi civilian, police and military deaths. The figure was 988 in September -- 50 percent lower than the previous month and the lowest tally since June 2006, when 847 Iraqis died. 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