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9/26 Not a troll, just a hypothetical question. If I breed with a
Caucasian woman, will I help increase gene pool diversity, restore
the "genetic vigor", and improve the human race in general? In
another word, what is the probability that our children be as
smart as I as and as healthy as she is, vs. the probability of
our children be as dumb as she is and as weak as I am? -SAM
\_ Hapa nation! We Will Bury You! --brain
\_ Fat blonde crazy ass Britney Spears genes need not be
passed on to the human race.
\_ Too late for that.
\_ That you're asking this question seriously brings into doubt the
idea that any given Caucasian woman is dumber than you are.
\_ Not only that, but the guy has it wrong. Asian women breed
with white men. Asian guys don't get the caucasian poon.
\_ hypothetical means "in theory" which has no implied
correlation with reality, right?
\_ As I recall, 45% of asian-american women are married to white
guys, 36% of asian-american men are married to white women.
\_ Based on personal accounts I believe the 45% number. I'm
a bit dubious about the 36% though. Are these
Asian-American men married to REAL white women, or virtual
from Second Life and World of Warcraft? -Asian
\_ I don't know, at church I know 2 asian-asian couples, 2
asian-man white-woman couples, and 1 white-man asian woman
couple (mine).
\_ Interesting. How about outside of church?
\_ I think in my experience, for marriage, the 36% is
born out. I think there's a lot of white-man/asian-
woman dating that doesn't result in marriage.
\_ Interesting. We've been married 11 years, but
many people assume we're just dating. Is this a
function of the WM/AW phenom?
\_ You recall incorrectly. Or your source was wrong.
http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml
WM-AF marriage is about 2.5X as likely as the converse.
\_ They are more or less equally probable, you must have lots of kids.
According to my asian wife, white women can have more children.
\_ They WANT to have more children or they are more CAPABLE
of having more children?
\_ can == capable
\_ The key is SELECTIVE breeding, a known and proven technique
used since the dawn of domestication. Basically, assume
the attributes are either/or (dominant/recessive), which
is NOT the case here but for the sake of simplicity, you
have the followings:
1 25% chance of smart + healthy
2 25% chance of dumb + healthy
3 25% chance of smart + weak
4 25% chance of dumb + weak
So if you have LOTS of children and kill off all 2,3, and 4
then only the smart and healthy one will propagate and
improve the race.
\_ Since, as you point out, this is not how the genetics of IQ
work, people who follow Punnett Squares for eugneics are
really working to remove themselves from the survival pool.
\_ the problem comes when you want to implement "kill off all
2 3 4." Not exactly socially acceptable here, especially
when humans are involved.
\_ Non-show quality, companion pets are usually neutered.
\_ It is too bad that the Nazis gave such a bad name
to eugenics. No, I am not being sarcastic here.
\_ If Hitler hated the Jews so much, he should have
have just NEUTERED them. By doing so, he would
have kept the Jew scientists to make THE BOMB
while satisfying his goals of 1) decreasing
the Jews population 2) winning the war.
Thank God Hitler wasn't too smart to figure
it out.
\_ The Nazis had a number of sterilization
projects. One of the research areas for which
human beings were used in the camps was cheap
and effective methods of sterilization. Learn
your history. -- ilyas
\_ The U.S. was also engaged in sterilization
of our own citizens and we were doing it
before the Nazis even existed. There is a
reason we don't do this anymore. Our society
has a higher sense of morals than we did then.
\_ When we try to make our horses/dogs better
(faster, smarter, stronger), it's called
"improving the breed." When we encourage
smart people to breed (e.g. Singapore has
tax incentives for educated ppl to have
more kids), it's called eugenics. Go figure.
\_ When you can tell the difference between live
stock and humans, come back and we'll talk
about it.
\_ Well, there isn't really that much
difference, when you come right down
to it. -!pp
\_ And it is the inability to see that this
both true and not relevant to society
at the same time that separates the
geeks and freaks from the norms.
\_ Eugenics appeals to geeks because it appears to
be an elegant solution. The reality is always
much messier.
\_ Yeah like the day someone decides that skinny
smelly people are to all be executed in favor
of muscle bulging thick jawed wrestlers.
\_ China bears her observation out, huh? |
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| www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml Article, discussion, and statistics from the 2000 Census about the history and contemporary characteristics of interracial dating and marriage among Asian Americans, including comparisons of outmarriage rates between the six largest Asian ethnic groups and husbands and wives. Please enable JavaScript in your browser to maximize your experience and enjoyment at Asian-Nation. Interracial Dating & Marriage One of the most public manifestations of race is the choice of one's partner or spouse. This very individual and personal aspect can sometimes produce a lot of public discussion. Studies consistently show that Asian Americans have some of the highest "intermarriage" (also known as "outmarriage") rates among racial/ethnic minorities -- marrying someone else outside of their own ethnic group. But as always, there's more to the story than just the headline. THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SIDES OF ETHNICITY Whether it's dating or marrying someone of a different race, interracial relationships are not a new phenomenon among Asian Americans. When the first Filipino and Chinese workers came to the US in the 1700 and 1800s, they were almost exclusively men. A few of them eventually married women in the US who were not Asian. However, many people soon saw Asian intermarriage with Whites as a threat to American society. Therefore, anti-miscegenation laws were passed that prohibited Asians from marrying Whites. All Asian Americans: Percentages of the Six Largest Asian Ethnic Groups who are Married to . Read about the Methodology used to calculate these statistics History shows that these anti-miscegenation laws were very common in the US They were first passed in the 1600s to prevent freed Black slaves from marrying Whites. At that time, 38 states in the US had formal laws on their books that prohibited non-Whites from marrying Whites. As you can see, it's only been in recent years that interracial marriages are relatively common in American society. Of course, anti-miscegenation laws were part of a larger anti-Asian movement that eventually led to the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882 and other restrictive regulations. These laws actually made the situation worse because Asian men were no longer able to bring their wives over to the US So in a way, those who wanted to become married had no other choice but to socialize with non-Asians. After World War II however, the gender dynamics of this interracial process flip-flopped. US servicemen who fought and were stationed overseas in Asian countries began coming home with Asian "war brides." These Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Korean, and Vietnamese women eventually played a role in developing the Asian American community by sponsoring their family and other relatives to immigrate to the US These days, Asian Americans in interracial relationships are very common. Census 2000 5% PUMS (a 1-in-20 national random sample of the entire US population) to construct the following table, which updates the results from 1990 to 2000 and represents data from the entire US and not just California. The table shows the percentage of the six major Asian ethnic groups who are married to either endogamously (within their ethnic group), to another Asian (outside their ethnic group), or to someone who is White, Black, or Hispanic/Latino, by husbands and wives. The numbers in parentheses are the total counts for each husband/wife ethnic combination. Note that this table includes data for all members of each Asian ethnic group who are married -- immigrants and US-born. next page and you should definitely compare both sets of numbers because they can differ significantly. The numbers in bold black represent the group with the highest percentage among their gender, while the group with the bold red number has the lowest percentage. These numbers were updated on November 3, 2004 -- if you arrived at this page from another link that quoted different statistics, you should note that these are the most valid and up-to-date numbers available. Also keep in mind that although generally accurate and reliable, Census sample data is not completely perfect and that there will always be some sampling errors. ") PATTERNS OF MARRIAGE AMONG ASIAN AMERICANS These are certainly a lot of numbers to consider. Basically, what these stats tell us is that among the six major Asian American ethnic groups, among both husbands and wives, the groups that are most likely to have a White spouse are Japanese. Although the numbers for intermarriage with Blacks and Hispanics/Latinos are low, Asians who are most likely to intermarry with Blacks are Asian Indian husbands and Filipino wives while Filipino and Japanese husbands and Filipino wives are most likely to intermarry with Hispanics/Latinos. Those who are most likely to marry within their own ethnic group are Korean husbands and Asian Indian wives. Finally, Japanese (husbands and wives) are most likely to marry another Asian American (outside their own ethnic group). However, their study also finds that all Asian ethnic groups and husbands and wives are also more likely to marry another Asian (either within their own ethnic group or some other Asian ethnic group) than before and that despite the increasing popularity of Asian intermarriage with Whites, the data show that these days Asian Americans are much more likely to marry another Asian than to marry a White person. Asian ethnic groups by single and multiple ethnicities US Census Bureau Nonetheless, intermarriage is making its mark in the Asian American community. The chart from the Census Bureau chart below reports that among the six major Asian American ethnic groups in 2000, Japanese Americans had the highest proportion of their total population that are in combination with at least one more Asian ethnic group (ie, Japanese-Chinese) or with at least one other race (ie, Japanese-White) at over 30%. only those Asian Americans who grew up in the US and are therefore most likely to have been socialized within the context of American intergroup relations -- the US-born and those who immigrated to the US as children. |