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9/24 Wow, they don't have gays in Iran
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RS115O0&show_article=1
\_ There are no gays in the US military, either.
\_ Why pick on Iran? How about Saudi Arabia? How come we have
no issue with Saudi chopping people's hands off, gauging eyes
off, and stone women to death? In fact, we love Saudi so much
that we outsource our torture to there.
\_ The difference between the USM and Iran being that the worst
that happens in one is they kick you out, in the other they
execute you. So yeah, you make a highly valid comparison.
\_ samething can said about WW2. We only put Japs into
concentration camps, not gas chambers. Thus, it makes us the
good guys. Now, get back to your own drinking fountain.
\_ To point out that the USM also ignores the existence of gays
in its ranks is not the same as to suggest that the USM
executes gays. It is possible to draw parallels in parts and
yet recognize differences in the whole: the USM is not Iran.
\_ Maybe I should have added 'sarcasm' tags to my post, above.
\_ Tellingly, this is why Columbia U. says they won't allow ROTC on
campus, yet the Iranian nutjob is there today.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2007/09/24/ahmadinejad_is_in,_rotc_is_out
http://urltea.com/1kup (townhall.com)
\_ Is ahmadenijad recruiting students?
\_ Dinesh D'Souza is almost as short as you.
\_ I'm 6'0". You?
\_ A link to D'Souza is enough to dismiss you as a troll.
Take your failure like a man.
\_ Sometimes things are true even if someone you don't
like says them.
\_ Yes. But not this time. D'Souza is an imbecile,
his "point" puerile, and you ignorable for posting
it.
\_ What about his point do you find purile, and
why?
\_ What part of "ignorable" don't you
understand? Eh, it's a slow day. I'll
throw you a bone. Do you see any difference
between an organization looking to recruit
students and a foreign head of state
attending a forum? I mean, other than
their clothes.
\_ Well, the claim isn't that they're
precisely the same. In 2003 a majority
of the students voted to have ROTC on
campus. The president says there should
be a forum for all ideas, yet ROTC isn't
allowed. What is recruiting other than
presenting your ideas and asking people
to sign up?
\- ROTC isnt an idea. An ongoing
recruitment program is different
from a one shot speech. [BTW, I'm
not sure what I think about ROTC
on private campuses which get public
monies, so I'm just saying the
comparison is bogus, not anti-ROTC].
\_ I think it is quite clear that if
you take the public's money you
need to take the public's
responsibilities which includes
having the military around trying
to recruit if that's one of the
strings. The Feds use highway
funds all the time as a stick for
totally unrelated State bashing.
If that is ok then it should
certainly be ok to pull Federal
dollars from a school that directly
opposes something harmless like
ROTC.
\_ "Why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price for an
event they had nothing to do with?"
Please to be asking Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.
\_ Wasn't this a speech to the UN?
\_ He was talking about the Holocaust. RTA.
\_ I think he just points out the unconvenient fact. Without
Nazi, there will be no political will to establish a Jewish
state. By the way, there was a draft to settle Jews in Alaska.
It never made out of committee. No one in USA want Jews
establish their homeland in US soil.
\_ There is/was at least a tenuous historical basis for est. of
Israel in the Levant/Palestine. |
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| www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RS115O0&show_article=1 Comments by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose remarks were translated from Farsi. In a university environment we must allow people to speak their mind, to allow everyone to talk so that the truth is eventually revealed by all. Right now, there are a number of European academics who have been sent to prison because they attempted to write about the Holocaust or research it from a different perspective, questioning certain aspects of it. My question is: Why isn't it open to all forms of research? You must understand that in our constitution and our laws and the parliamentary elections for every 150,000 people we get one representative in the parliament. For the Jewish community one-fifth of this number they still get one independent representative in the parliament. Our proposal to the Palestinian plight is a humanitarian and a democratic proposal. What we say is that to solve this 60-year problem, we must allow the Palestinian people to decide about its future for itself. Some big powers do not want to see the progress of other societies and nations. They turn to thousands of reasons, make allegations, place economic sanctions to prevent other nations from developing and advancing, all resulting from their distance from human values and the teachings of the divine prophets. Regretfully, they have not been trained to serve mankind. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
| www.townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2007/09/24/ahmadinejad_is_in,_rotc_is_out B Steigerwald B Burney B Smith B Lerch B Bozell III B Fitzpatrick B Bartlett B Prelutsky C Thomas C Edwards C Horowitz C Platt Liebau C Glick C Lukas C Krauthammer C Dent C Felicia Rhoads C Pickering C Stovall C Hitchens C Colson C DeFeo C Muth C Cotto C Rosett C May C Taylor C Black C Carroll Campbell C Pickering C McCrery C Ryan C Price C Shirley D Gattuso D Gattuso D Michael Keegan D Karle D Horowitz D Keene D Limbaugh D Theodore B Olson D Yerushalmi D Barnett D England D Saunders D Prager D Ernst D West D Eileen McGann D D'Souza D Kroah D Lambro D Giles D Wilson D MacKinnon D Dunn D Kantor D Ladner D Kengor D Patterson D Patterson E Feulner E Peace E Tyrrell E Peters F Kobusingye F Youngblood F Brown F Keating F Gaffney, Jr. F Pastore F Siegel F Thompson G Aldrich G Kurpius G McCaleb G Allen G Marlin G Will G Lavy G Reynolds G Koukl H Adler H Stein H R Jackson, Jr. H Edmondson H London H Cain H Cooper H McKeon H Hewitt I Post J Smith J Kemp J Gingrich Cushman J Sullum J Bopp, Jr. Ahmadinejad is in, ROTC is out By Dinesh D'Souza Monday, September 24, 2007 President Lee Bollinger of Columbia University is a very open-minded guy, in his own opinion. In inviting the Iranian prime minister Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia, he issued this statement. Necessarily on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs that many, most of even all of us will find offensive and even odious. We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialog and reason." So why won't Bollinger allow the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) to recruit on the Columbia campus? In 2003 a majority of students said they wanted ROTC back, to give students the choice to serve their country in this way. The Columbia faculty opposed the measure, however, and Bollinger sided with them against the students. What is the problem with ROTC as far as Columbia University is concerned? Apparently Bollinger and other left-wingers on the faculty can't stand the US military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy concerning homosexuals. Yet this policy, devised and introduced by the Clinton administration, respects the privacy of homosexual soldiers on the condition that they aren't open or flagrant about being gay. The objective of the policy is to maintain morale in the barracks. Even if you disagree with the military, Bollinger himself says that Columbia is open to allowing ideas that are "offensive and even odious." Tolerance means, "I disagree strongly, but I will put up with you." If I agreed with what you have to say then there is no question of tolerance. Whatever Bollinger's ideological disagreement with ROTC, surely students are capable of hearing his concerns and then making up their own minds about whether to enroll. Meanwhile, Iran's policies toward homosexuals are--shall we say--somewhat more stringent than those of the US military. I visited the website of Human Rights Watch where the country's sorry record is pretty well laid out. A few months ago, to take a random example, the Iranian police raided a home where men were allegedly dressed up as women. The men were accused of homosexuality, detained without a lawyer, and beaten. Perhaps they should consider themselves lucky: in the past Iran has not hesitated to execute homosexuals. Last November two men were strung up in northern Iran for engaging in homosexual acts. Actually I don't agree with conservatives who say that the man should be prevented from speaking. If Ahmadinejad blames America and Israel for terrorism and calls for both to be wiped off the map, he would be doing no more than echoing what many leftists at Columbia have been saying for years. If he takes the more interesting approach of defending Muslim holy law regarding women and gays, he will show the left what it's in for if Islamic radicalism triumphs in the Middle East. But if Columbia can make room for Ahmadinejad, Columbia can make room for ROTC on campus. This absurd double standard of kowtowing even to the enemies of America, while blocking the military and other politically incorrect institutions, has got to stop and stop now. Columbia and other universities should be just as open to ideas from the right as they are to ideas from the left and from the Islamic radicals. Isn't it time Bollinger and his thick-headed colleagues realized that free speech and diversity should be valued across the political spectrum? The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 has just been published by Doubleday. D'Souza is the Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution. Post Your Comments President Lee Bollinger of Columbia University is a very open-minded guy, in his own opinion. In inviting the Iranian prime minister Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia, he issued this statement. Necessarily on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs that many, most of even all of us will find offensive and even odious. We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialog and reason." So why won't Bollinger allow the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) to recruit on the Columbia campus? In 2003 a majority of students said they wanted ROTC back, to give students the choice to serve their country in this way. The Columbia faculty opposed the measure, however, and Bollinger sided with them against the students. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reaches into his briefcase before speaking to the media as he leaves Tehran's Mehrabad airport bound for the United Nations in New York September 23, 2007. Iran's Ahmadinejad Arrives in New York What is the problem with ROTC as far as Columbia University is concerned? Apparently Bollinger and other left-wingers on the faculty can't stand the US military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy concerning homosexuals. Yet this policy, devised and introduced by the Clinton administration, respects the privacy of homosexual soldiers on the condition that they aren't open or flagrant about being gay. The objective of the policy is to maintain morale in the barracks. Even if you disagree with the military, Bollinger himself says that Columbia is open to allowing ideas that are "offensive and even odious." Tolerance means, "I disagree strongly, but I will put up with you." If I agreed with what you have to say then there is no question of tolerance. Whatever Bollinger's ideological disagreement with ROTC, surely students are capable of hearing his concerns and then making up their own minds about whether to enroll. Meanwhile, Iran's policies toward homosexuals are--shall we say--somewhat more stringent than those of the US military. I visited the website of Human Rights Watch where the country's sorry record is pretty well laid out. A few months ago, to take a random example, the Iranian police raided a home where men were allegedly dressed up as women. The men were accused of homosexuality, detained without a lawyer, and beaten. Perhaps they should consider themselves lucky: in the past Iran has not hesitated to execute homosexuals. Last November two men were strung up in northern Iran for engaging in homosexual acts. Actually I don't agree with conservatives who say that the man should be prevented from speaking. If Ahmadinejad blames America and Israel for terrorism and calls for both to be wiped off the map, he would be doing no more than echoing what many leftists at Columbia have been saying for years. If he takes the more interesting approach of defending Muslim holy law regarding women and gays, he will show the left what it's in for if Islamic radicalism triumphs in the Middle East. But if Columbia can make room for Ahmadinejad, Columbia can make room for ROTC on campus. This absurd double standard of kowtowing even to the enemies of America, while blocking the military and other politically incorrect institutions, has got to stop and stop now. Columbia and other universities should be just as open to ideas from the right as they are to ideas from the left and from the Islamic radicals. Isn't it time Bollinger and his thick-headed collea... |
| urltea.com/1kup -> www.townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2007/09/24/ahmadinejad_is_in,_rotc_is_out B Steigerwald B Burney B Smith B Lerch B Bozell III B Fitzpatrick B Bartlett B Prelutsky C Thomas C Edwards C Horowitz C Platt Liebau C Glick C Lukas C Krauthammer C Dent C Felicia Rhoads C Pickering C Stovall C Hitchens C Colson C DeFeo C Muth C Cotto C Rosett C May C Taylor C Black C Carroll Campbell C Pickering C McCrery C Ryan C Price C Shirley D Gattuso D Gattuso D Michael Keegan D Karle D Horowitz D Keene D Limbaugh D Theodore B Olson D Yerushalmi D Barnett D England D Saunders D Prager D Ernst D West D Eileen McGann D D'Souza D Kroah D Lambro D Giles D Wilson D MacKinnon D Dunn D Kantor D Ladner D Kengor D Patterson D Patterson E Feulner E Peace E Tyrrell E Peters F Kobusingye F Youngblood F Brown F Keating F Gaffney, Jr. F Pastore F Siegel F Thompson G Aldrich G Kurpius G McCaleb G Allen G Marlin G Will G Lavy G Reynolds G Koukl H Adler H Stein H R Jackson, Jr. H Edmondson H London H Cain H Cooper H McKeon H Hewitt I Post J Smith J Kemp J Gingrich Cushman J Sullum J Bopp, Jr. Ahmadinejad is in, ROTC is out By Dinesh D'Souza Monday, September 24, 2007 President Lee Bollinger of Columbia University is a very open-minded guy, in his own opinion. In inviting the Iranian prime minister Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia, he issued this statement. Necessarily on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs that many, most of even all of us will find offensive and even odious. We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialog and reason." So why won't Bollinger allow the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) to recruit on the Columbia campus? In 2003 a majority of students said they wanted ROTC back, to give students the choice to serve their country in this way. The Columbia faculty opposed the measure, however, and Bollinger sided with them against the students. What is the problem with ROTC as far as Columbia University is concerned? Apparently Bollinger and other left-wingers on the faculty can't stand the US military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy concerning homosexuals. Yet this policy, devised and introduced by the Clinton administration, respects the privacy of homosexual soldiers on the condition that they aren't open or flagrant about being gay. The objective of the policy is to maintain morale in the barracks. Even if you disagree with the military, Bollinger himself says that Columbia is open to allowing ideas that are "offensive and even odious." Tolerance means, "I disagree strongly, but I will put up with you." If I agreed with what you have to say then there is no question of tolerance. Whatever Bollinger's ideological disagreement with ROTC, surely students are capable of hearing his concerns and then making up their own minds about whether to enroll. Meanwhile, Iran's policies toward homosexuals are--shall we say--somewhat more stringent than those of the US military. I visited the website of Human Rights Watch where the country's sorry record is pretty well laid out. A few months ago, to take a random example, the Iranian police raided a home where men were allegedly dressed up as women. The men were accused of homosexuality, detained without a lawyer, and beaten. Perhaps they should consider themselves lucky: in the past Iran has not hesitated to execute homosexuals. Last November two men were strung up in northern Iran for engaging in homosexual acts. Actually I don't agree with conservatives who say that the man should be prevented from speaking. If Ahmadinejad blames America and Israel for terrorism and calls for both to be wiped off the map, he would be doing no more than echoing what many leftists at Columbia have been saying for years. If he takes the more interesting approach of defending Muslim holy law regarding women and gays, he will show the left what it's in for if Islamic radicalism triumphs in the Middle East. But if Columbia can make room for Ahmadinejad, Columbia can make room for ROTC on campus. This absurd double standard of kowtowing even to the enemies of America, while blocking the military and other politically incorrect institutions, has got to stop and stop now. Columbia and other universities should be just as open to ideas from the right as they are to ideas from the left and from the Islamic radicals. Isn't it time Bollinger and his thick-headed colleagues realized that free speech and diversity should be valued across the political spectrum? The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 has just been published by Doubleday. D'Souza is the Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution. Post Your Comments President Lee Bollinger of Columbia University is a very open-minded guy, in his own opinion. In inviting the Iranian prime minister Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia, he issued this statement. Necessarily on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs that many, most of even all of us will find offensive and even odious. We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialog and reason." So why won't Bollinger allow the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) to recruit on the Columbia campus? In 2003 a majority of students said they wanted ROTC back, to give students the choice to serve their country in this way. The Columbia faculty opposed the measure, however, and Bollinger sided with them against the students. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reaches into his briefcase before speaking to the media as he leaves Tehran's Mehrabad airport bound for the United Nations in New York September 23, 2007. Iran's Ahmadinejad Arrives in New York What is the problem with ROTC as far as Columbia University is concerned? Apparently Bollinger and other left-wingers on the faculty can't stand the US military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy concerning homosexuals. Yet this policy, devised and introduced by the Clinton administration, respects the privacy of homosexual soldiers on the condition that they aren't open or flagrant about being gay. The objective of the policy is to maintain morale in the barracks. Even if you disagree with the military, Bollinger himself says that Columbia is open to allowing ideas that are "offensive and even odious." Tolerance means, "I disagree strongly, but I will put up with you." If I agreed with what you have to say then there is no question of tolerance. Whatever Bollinger's ideological disagreement with ROTC, surely students are capable of hearing his concerns and then making up their own minds about whether to enroll. Meanwhile, Iran's policies toward homosexuals are--shall we say--somewhat more stringent than those of the US military. I visited the website of Human Rights Watch where the country's sorry record is pretty well laid out. A few months ago, to take a random example, the Iranian police raided a home where men were allegedly dressed up as women. The men were accused of homosexuality, detained without a lawyer, and beaten. Perhaps they should consider themselves lucky: in the past Iran has not hesitated to execute homosexuals. Last November two men were strung up in northern Iran for engaging in homosexual acts. Actually I don't agree with conservatives who say that the man should be prevented from speaking. If Ahmadinejad blames America and Israel for terrorism and calls for both to be wiped off the map, he would be doing no more than echoing what many leftists at Columbia have been saying for years. If he takes the more interesting approach of defending Muslim holy law regarding women and gays, he will show the left what it's in for if Islamic radicalism triumphs in the Middle East. But if Columbia can make room for Ahmadinejad, Columbia can make room for ROTC on campus. This absurd double standard of kowtowing even to the enemies of America, while blocking the military and other politically incorrect institutions, has got to stop and stop now. Columbia and other universities should be just as open to ideas from the right as they are to ideas from the left and from the Islamic radicals. Isn't it time Bollinger and his thick-headed collea... |
| townhall.com The House GOP Goes Thelma And Louise In the past three weeks I have spoken on air with every member of the GOP leadership: Republican Leader Boehner, Republican Whip Blunt, Republican Deputy Whip Cantor and Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Caucus Tom Cole. And none would utter even the mildest criticism of their GOP colleagues who are in the process of deserting the war effort, "emboldening the enemy," to use Congressman Cole's words, and sending a message to American allies and yes our enemies that the desire to cut and run now has bipartisan support. In your opinion, Global Warming is: Alarmist myth created by liberals wanting more government. A possible concern needing appropriate and balanced attention. An undisputed scientific fact that we must address quickly. Ultimately they are saying that defeat of the president's policies is preferable, unfortunately that means that our troops are the ones who pay the price. |