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| 2007/9/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:48133 Activity:low |
9/20 Someone deleted my CRV question. Where does the money collected
by the CRV end up? I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that some of it
is used to pay refunds, but what happens to the rest? I STFW already.
\_ The first two hits on google for "california CRV money" came up
with very informative articles on this subject:
http://www.sdreader.com/php/ma_show.php?id=384
http://www.sdreader.com/php/ma_show.php?id=279
about the 6th hit is
http://www.somelifeblog.com/2007/01/californias-redemption-value-increase.html
which goes into great detail on this.
The latter ones two seemed really relevant to your question. At
this point all I can say is LRN2STFW. -ERic
\_ I used Yahoo! and not Google. BTW, thanks.
\_ Its is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.
\_ Not blaming the tool. Just saying #1 and #2 hits on
Yahoo! were not informative. In fact, most were not. |
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| www.sdreader.com/php/ma_show.php?id=384 Send this page to a friend Why does California's CRV tax require each individual to pay five or ten cents for each plastic or aluminum container bought in markets? Hey, Matt: I am interested in the rip-off scams our local and federal governments use to line their secret account pockets with millions by skimming nickels and dimes from American citizens. California's CRV tax requires each individual to pay five or ten cents for each plastic or aluminum container bought in markets. But the rate of return is not determined by the CRV tax but by the price per pound each recycling station lists as the going rate for aluminum, plastic, and bottles. For instance, 24 aluminum cans (one pound) bought in a market. The cans are then recycled at a station paying 98 cents a pound for aluminum. WE, THE CONSUMERS, ARE RIPPED OFF 22 CENTS FOR EVERY 24 CANS WE PURCHASE! The state legislature sets the amount of CRV you pay at the store. For all eligible containers 12 ounces and smaller, you pay 25 cents per container; The amount of money you receive from the recycler is also set by the legislature and, as you noted, is calculated by the pound, no matter what size the container is. To make sure you get back your deposit, the state sets a minimum amount that you must be paid per pound. The reality is that recycling centers pay much more than the state minimum. CRV aluminum prices have dropped lately, but most centers today redeem it at about 90 cents a pound. They base their rates on how much they get when they resell your cans to an aluminum processor. So it's true, the consumer is a middleman in a sort of paradigm shift. When we buy the can, we're dealing with a flat cost per item. When we sell it, we're dealing with commodity prices set on large quantities of cans. But most of the time, your actual return should be greater than what the CRV cost you. To test your numbers, we sat the elves down and had them empty some 12- and 24-ounce CRV aluminum cans. Redemption value of each batch would be roughly 90 cents. Proving, among other things, that with a little start-up capital, you can make a profit by sitting around drinking beer. Not sure how you calculated 24 aluminum cans to a pound, but if you still believe you're being ripped off by the system, then try this. By law a state-certified recycling center has to pay you the appropriate CRV price on a per-can basis if you bring in 50 cans or fewer. Do you realize that you pay state sales tax on the CRV when you buy the product? The state Board of Equalization (da tax man) considers the CRV not a tax or a deposit but a cost of doing business -- a cost of handling and processing. Comments Posted by Richard Nowicki on 05/21/07 @ 6:54 pm Who Actaully pays the CRV money to the state? Does the Manufacturer pay and charge the distributor CRV? Does the distributor pay and charge CRV to the retailer? Posted by Tara Butler on 06/13/07 @ 7:58 am Please inform me how to go about getting a CRV ID # for my company. Reply by M Alice Contact the state Department of Conservation. Posted by Cecil Heyrend on 07/17/07 @ 2:27 pm I JUST BOUGHT 12 oz CANS AND THE CRV WAS 5 CENTS AND YES IT WAS TAXED SO WHO DO WE WRITE TO OR E-MAIL TO COMPLAIN TO THE STATE GOV. WHEN AS A CHILD WE COULD GO TO THE STORE ETC AND GET BACK JUST WHAT IT COST YOU AS A BOTTLE OF SODA COST STARTED AT 2 CENTS THEN THREE ETC. Posted by jason on 08/2/07 @ 12:23 pm Help me out here, how much should a 24oz can of beer cost with tax and crv if the price on the shelf is 99 cents? Posted by Eric on 08/2/07 @ 2:19 pm calculate your sales tax on your receipts if you will, you may find the other rip off................ We are also charged sales tax on the CRV taxes before this CRV racket we used to pocket cash for the aluminum (cans) Posted by Richard Shyer on 08/23/07 @ 10:29 pm How about this one. Purchased two diffferent energy drinks today with twist-off caps both 24 oz. The Monster's CRV was 5 cents + tax but the Rockstar was 10 cents + tax. Does anyone know a slippery lawyer willing to take this CRV rip-off on? Several products now come in that size to be really close in size to a 24 ounce can, but still legally avoid a 10 cent deposit and only get a 5 cent deposit instead. Posted by avid recycler on 08/28/07 @ 7:39 pm You can get the actual cash value not wait of recycled goods from recycling centers up to 50 items, after that they have a right to reimburse you the weight value. If they don't call the department of conservation hotline and report them. on 09/7/07 @ 12:44 pm I'm trying to educate myself on the whole, "redemption center, get money back -vs- just plunking the recyclable item into our recycle bin to be collected each week at our home by the recycle truck." So, I just read the comment above saying, "The state legislature sets the amount of CRV you pay at the store. For all eligible containers 12 ounces and smaller, you pay 25 cents per container; Now, my question is, Why has Ralph's Grocery Store been charging me 10 cents CRV on a single 32 oz. This is about the same as if they had to count and pay 5 cents/can. |
| www.sdreader.com/php/ma_show.php?id=279 Dear Matt: I have no problem with the CRV we Californians pay for beverage containers as it is really nothing more than a deposit for our glass, cans, and plastic containers. My grocery clerk collects the CRV deposit, and when I recycle at any given site, I get my money back through a company (assumedly) completely disconnected with my grocery store and/or my state government. So how is this money moving through the system, and more importantly, what about the containers that are not recycled, where is that CRV money? Maybe you can sell pressure cookers and velvet paintings out of the trunk of your car until the taxman catches up with you, but a gypsy-style recycler is a man with a limited future. As the legislation has been drawn up, grocery stores collect the money from us every time we buy a recyclable container. They send our nickels to the state, at which point the grocers are out of the picture. The Resources Agency of the California Department of Conservation takes all our nickels from the grocers and puts them into a big pile. We go to an official, state-licensed recycler, and he gives us nickels in exchange for our recyclables. He then lets the state know we came in and recycled, and the state takes some nickels out of the big pile sent by the grocers and repays the recycler. The grocery store couldn't care less where (or if) you'll redeem your bottles; the recycler and the state couldn't care less where you bought the product. Any nickels collected but not paid out go to support the state program that administers this whole fandango. Recyclers also get a handling fee, and beverage manufacturers do too. As of January 1, the list of recyclables has been expanded to include glass, plastic, and cans of virtually everything drinkable, from Perrier to Frappucino. Easier to list what's not recyclable: milk, beer, wine, liquor, infant formula, medicinal nutrition supplements, juice pouches, 46-ounce (or larger) juice containers, and a few odds and ends. |
| www.somelifeblog.com/2007/01/californias-redemption-value-increase.html California's Redemption Value Increase - Where does your money go? In 2007, the state of California raised the California Redemption Value or CRV for recyclable goods like bottles, cans and containers. That means that when you walk into your local grocery store of choice or Costco and pickup that 24-pack of Dr. This is refundable of course, if you return your cans to a local recycling or refund center. There has been an awful lot of advertising about these changes, encouraging people to recycle. In fact, I do not think I have gone through a day yet where I have not seen a commercial on the television or heard something on the radio talking about the new CRV values. I started thinking about this, which bring me to an interesting. Where is my share - should I be received some additional CRV rebates? The reason I ask this, is that living in Thousand Oaks, California - I have been required to recycle for a number of years and even have a special blue trash can from WMI where I put all my recyclables. This is a great thing, having different trash cans including one for items that are recyclable makes recycling easy without the pain of having separate trash cans to put all of my bottles, cans, and containers in. Now, back to get back to my question - how does this work? The reason I ask this is that I pay a good chunk of each month to WMI (Waste Management - GI Industries) each month so that they can pick up my garbage, yard waste and recyclables. If the CRV values have gone up close to 40%, should we all receive discounts on our bill? What happens to all of those bottles, cans, and containers that I throw away? Surely someone is receiving the CRV refunds for everything I pay for. The people there were very helpful and eager to explain to me how they and the state of California run their recycling programs. Waste Management end up with absolutely no compensation from the recyclables that they process. Thus, none of this value is passed back to the consumers. The only way to get credit on your California redemption value is by taking it to an authorized CRV redemption center. The real question then becomes, what happens to the CRV that we all pay at the grocery store? If we are not receiving it as the consumers and the waste management folks are not receiving the cut? Well, what happens is that the state of California has a pot of this money in the treasury for "unclaimed" or "unredeemed" CRV funds. These funds are used in a variety of ways, including all of the below: * Recycling funds are used to pay CRV to recyclers (to reimburse them for paying CRV to consumers). The thumbnail image to the right shows the flow of funds through the recycling program. The only question that I still have is that the state has set a target of 75% recycling or else they will continue to increase the California redemption value. What I have not discovered is how they measure that - from a combination of both waste processors and recycling centers, or just the recycling centers. The methodology would make a huge difference given that a large number of us toss all of our bottles, cans, and containers in our recycle bin rather than going down to our local recycling center. Now you know how both recycling and California's redemption value program works and where your money goes! WMI most certainly does receive compensation for the recyclables you place in your blue bin -- they just don't receive any California Redemption Value for the recyclables you place in your blue bin. They do, however, receive scrap value for these materials. The return for plastic, glass, bi-metal, newspaper, cardboard, and steel cans is, of course, much less; however these items still carry a significant scrap value in large quantities. These companies surely use the revenue generated from these items to offset the cost of maintaining/upgrading sorting & processing equipment, labor, and transportation. Anybody who wants a return on his or her family's recyclables is welcome to segregate, store, and transport these items to the recycling center of his or her choice. We should rejoice in the fact that the trash collection companies are not penalizing their customers for not properly using the "blue bin"; You do make an excellent clarifying point that I failed to mention. They are free to collect the scrap portion of the funds, just not the California Redemption Value (CRV) that the state of California recently increased. However, I have seen some cities and am aware of some neighbors that have been fined for putting inappropriate or incorrect materials in a container for repeat offenses. Which, if it is a law and it is being abused -- it is an appropriate response. I will continue to recycle, but the California system makes me want to just dump it all in the regular green bins. Still water and 100% fruit juice is exempt, but not 100% sparkling fruit juice. I resent having this extra money taken out of my wallet. |