9/11    remember when politburo got rid of the motd after 9/11 because
        someone's dumb girlfriend thought someone said mean things?
        those were the days.
        \_ Yes, and it was the right thing to do.
           \_ I remember when Berkeley stood up for Free Speech.
              \_ The CSUA != Berkeley != UC Berkeley != FSM.
                 \_ The CSUA is not part of UC Berkeley? Could have
                    fooled me...
                    \_ Also, Berkeley would likely not exist at all if the
                       University wasn't here.
                    \_ You seem to misunderstand the meaning of equality.
                       And, if you want to nitpick, the CSUA is an ASUC
                       sponsored student group, and the ASUC is independent of
                       UC Berkeley.
           \_ Yeah, it's always the right thing to do to make sure that the
              unethical CSUA President continues to get laid.  That's way more
              important than the CSUA community.  -tom
              \_ From my memory the things that were being said were close
                 enough to racist hate speach (if not were racist hate speach)
                 that had things escelated to the right people the csua
                 could have had a serious disaster on it's hands.  On the
                 level of no more csua.  For sure no more csua office.
                 A few weeks timeout for everyone didn't hurt anyone.
                 \_ Oh and the rest of the trash posted here the rest of the
                    year wouldn't be a problem?  Uh huh....  -!tom
                 \_ Berkeley's hate speech provisions were struck down
                    as being overly broad limits on freedom of speech. I
                    don't think that the CSUA would have been in any kind
                    of trouble whatsoever, even if people had complained,
                    but I understand your concern.
                 \_ That's horse crap; it's like saying that CalMail would
                    be taken down because people sent hate mail through it.
                    The very most that would happen is that someone would
                    tell the CSUA to delete the comments.  -tom
        \_ Can someone explain what sort of mean things were said?  I was
           on motd-vacation at the time or something and never found out.
           \_ There was one troll who posted some anti-Arab, anti-Muslim
              stuff, raw stuff along the lines of nuke/kill them all etc.
              Those posts had contrary replies, of course (since when do
              trolls fail on the motd?). It's an unmoderated anonymous forum.
              I don't believe there was any real legal issue. In fact,
              treating it that way sort of implies that the CSUA really is
              responsible for what someone posts in here.
              \_ CSUA gets university money and valuble space.  Guess what,
                 clubs have been shut down for stuff like that pretty damn
                 fast.  If some sports team had a real old school cork board
                 that started getting racist screeds on the level of "Kill
                 all the sand-niggers" (it really was that bad people)
                 how long do you think it would take before Cal clamped down
                 HARD?  Seriously.  I think the eventual fallout was that
                 the default login didn't see motd.public on login.  See,
                 a solution was found.
                 \_ Could you give a relevant example of a club that was
                    shut down?  -tom
                 \_ I don't know, what downclamping do you think would happen?
                    Anyone could just remove the screeds. The motd
                    wasn't really shut down anyway, people posted in
                    some other file for a while. I have no problem with
                    not showing motd.public on login. But it could always
                    have been disabled. Nobody was forced to read it.
                    If someone posted a racist screed on a lamppost in
                    SF, and I got offended, can I sue SF?
                    \_ Who said anything about lawsuits? -dans