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2007/9/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47907 Activity:insanely high
9/6     The surge numbers are a scam
        http://xrl.us/5ouu (WashPo)
        \_ I thought I had a cool URL shortener, but yours adds
           the name of the <title>.  Cool!
        \_ It's all a scam.  Giving the troop buildup a stupid name
           "THE SURGE" was stupid.  It's all stupid.  Goddamit.
        \_ "Opponents of the war would only be happy with Iraq if every day
           ended in a rainbow and everyone was crapping gum drops."
           \_ Why are you in favor of tooth decay?  Why do you hate teeth?
           \_ Who are you quoting there, yourself?
              \_ Quoting because I liked the statement.  Not sourcing it
                 because no one here cares who it is.
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Iraq in recent months has come under scrutiny from many experts within and outside the government, who contend that some of the underlying statistics are questionable and selectively ignore negative trends. Reductions in violence form the centerpiece of the Bush administration's claim that its war strategy is working. Baghdad, overall attacks in Iraq were down to 960 a week in August, compared with 1,700 a week in June, and civilian casualties had fallen 17 percent between December 2006 and last month. Iraqi soldier waves his national flag from top of an armored vehicle in front of the gates to the Basra Palace complex in Basra, Iraq, Monday, Sept 3, 2007. Iraqi soldiers hoisted the nation's flag over the Basra palace compound Monday after British troops began withdrawing from their last garrison in the city, a move that will hand control to an Iraqi force riddled with Shiite militiamen. 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