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9/4     haven't had a good Mormon troll-off in a while.  Lemme fix
        that:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6972862.stm
        \_ Wow, that's some pretty bad fact-checking.  Let me highlight an
           easily-checked fact they got wrong:
           "The heretics, in their view, are the five million members of the
           mainstream church."
           Actual membership in the LDS church as of April 2007:
           12,868,606
           http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-690-3,00.html
           \_ "He's harmless! Back in the sixties he was part of the Free
               Speech movement at Berkeley. I think he did a little too much
               LDS"
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Printable version Memories of a massacre Mitt Romney Mitt Romney is a mainstream Mormon presidential candidate A POINT OF VIEW By Tim Egan Memories of a massacre 150 years ago, which saw militia butcher 120 settlers, still colour America's view of Mormons. Deep in Southern Utah, amid the salmon-coloured spires and sandstone walls of a strange land, is a valley more soaked in blood, shame and secrecy than perhaps any other in the American West. They call it Mountain Meadow, and it may just figure in next year's presidential election. You corkscrew your way up a little side road until you find a vista overlooking a quiet empty valley. Hear Radio 4's A Point of View And here you have a sign indicating that at least 120 people were murdered in the valley below on a September morning in 1857. Women, children, entire families were slaughtered in what was then the territory of Utah. These West-bound settlers died in a round of executions that took less than five minutes. Believing they were walking into the hands of rescuers in the middle of Indian country, they had disarmed themselves and began to walk single file. And then those same rescuers, most of them members of the Mormon Church, opened fire. Many of the emigrants were shot in the head, at point blank range. Those who had remained behind, sick or feeble in the wagon trains, were tracked down and shot in the face or shot in the chest. Next week marks the 150th anniversary of this most contentious and savage epic in the settling of the West. For all the depictions of wagon trains circling to avoid hostile attacks from natives, there was no greater loss of life by west-bound settlers than this shooting of white Americans by fellow white Americans in southern Utah. Film clunker Yet, until recently, these killings rarely made it into the history books - and if so only as an asterisk. A feature film about the massacre, September Dawn, and starring Jon Voight, opened nationwide last week, to awful reviews. The film is structured as a doomed love story between Mormons and non-Mormons. Still, interest and discussion of what happened in this slice of high mountain greenery has never seemed more fevered. Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, is running for president as a Republican. A Mormon church Utah retains a Mormon majority And while he currently lags in the polls, Romney is well-funded and well-organised, with many political assets. He is rock-jawed and exudes the type of relentless optimism found among corporate leaders who long ago learned how to cheerlead at the drop of a hat. He is also Mormon, and rarely a day goes by on the campaign trail without a question about the "peculiar people", as Mormons sometimes call themselves. 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In the 1850s, Utah territory was only nominally part of the United States. Brigham Young, who became head of the early Mormons after church founder Joseph Smith was killed by a mob in Illinois, had led his persecuted followers west. Never again, Young vowed, would Mormons be passive in the face of distrust and harassment. He organized a militia, with instructions that they could kill to defend the church colony, and in so doing, they could also kill in the name of God. There is a compound of real-life polygamists living on the Utah-Arizona border... I've been there several times, and the place is genuinely creepy Visitors were dazzled, and confused. "This was a fairyland to us," said Mark Twain, "a land of enchantment and awful mystery." "They maintain the semblance of a Republican form of government," he wrote. "But the truth is that Utah is an absolute monarchy and Brigham Young is king." 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Statistical Report, 2006 Presented by F Michael Watson Secretary to the First Presidency F Michael Watson Brothers and sisters, the First Presidency has issued the following report concerning the growth and activity of the Church as of December 31, 2006. Number of Church Units Stakes 2,745 Missions 344 Districts 630 Wards and Branches 27,475 Church Membership Total Membership 12,868,606 Increase in Children of Record 94,006 Converts Baptized 272,845 Missionaries Number of Full-Time Missionaries 53,164 Temples Temples Dedicated during 2006 2 (Sacramento California and Helsinki Finland) Temples Rededicated during 2006 2 (Santiago Chile and Papeete Tahiti) Total Number of Temples Currently in Operation 124 Prominent Church Members Who Have Passed Away since Last April Elder Devere Harris, former member of the Seventy; Sister Elisa Young Rogers Wirthlin, wife of Elder Joseph B Wirthlin of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles; Sister Norma Berntson Ashton, widow of Elder Marvin J Ashton, former member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles; Sister Dorothy Porter Holt, former counselor in the Young Women general presidency.