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Send a message via AIM to jayjay Ask the Former Restroom-Sex Afficionado (in light of the Sen. Craig scandal) The recent scandal with Senator Craig and restroom sex has raised a lot of questions and confusion among Dopers not terribly familiar with this aspect of gay culture. For a LONG time (from the age of 14 to about 10 years ago), I was an avid stall-crawler. For various reasons having to do with the times, my upbringing, my own relationship with my sexuality and body-image in general, and the areas I lived in, I have a rather intimate knowledge of this aspect of gay life. So, if the scandal with Senator Craig has any of you confused, bewildered or otherwise curious, ask away! Also, I have no intention of getting terribly lurid here. I'm answering general questions about procedure and motivation and such, not providing a Playguy Forum.
Chief Pedant Chief Pedant is offline Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 697 Location: Illinois Well, does the officer's story seem legit? This sort of thing does go on, then, with total strangers soliciting others? If so, then is it at all likely the Senator was misinterpreted? Shouldn't he be rich and connected enough to get some sort of scheduled, quality, upscale gay sex with pre-screened partners?
Freddy the Pig Freddy the Pig is offline Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,702 Location: Illinois According to the news reports, the Senator's first move was to make eye contact through the crack between the stall door and the wall. Isn't there a terrible risk that the target won't be looking for gay sex, and will get creeped out and think you're a deve, or even make threatening comments?
Send a message via AIM to jayjay Quote: Originally Posted by Chief Pedant Well, does the officer's story seem legit? This sort of thing does go on, then, with total strangers soliciting others? If so, then is it at all likely the Senator was misinterpreted? Shouldn't he be rich and connected enough to get some sort of scheduled, quality, upscale gay sex with pre-screened partners? I really didn't find anything in it that didn't sound perfectly in tune with the intention of having a quickie either right there or in a more deserted restroom. I've been reading various people's (both Doper and non) incredulousness about how thin the evidence was, which was one of the reasons I started this. Everything the officer reported is standard procedure for this type of operation.
Send a message via AIM to jayjay Quote: Originally Posted by Freddy the Pig According to the news reports, the Senator's first move was to make eye contact through the crack between the stall door and the wall. Isn't there a terrible risk that the target won't be looking for gay sex, and will get creeped out and think you're a deve, or even make threatening comments? If you're picky about what you're getting with, you might want to take a peek. It's easily shrugged off as an accidental glimpse if the person isn't really interested (or outraged) and eye contact will usually tell you in about a second if there IS interest there. Didn't like crowded restrooms, usually started off with tapping or stretching for a look at their shoes or legs to check apparent age.
Malodorous Malodorous is offline Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,277 Location: Isn't an airport restroom kinda extra risky? I'd be hard pressed to think of a place with more bored cops and security personnel then an airport, especially post 9/11.
plnnr plnnr is offline Charter Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 6,748 Location: Quote: Originally Posted by Malodorous Isn't an airport restroom kinda extra risky? I'd be hard pressed to think of a place with more bored cops and security personnel then an airport, especially post 9/11. For years the New York Port Authority Terminal was very well known for cruising.
Send a message via AIM to Zoggie Quote: Originally Posted by Chief Pedant I must confess: I am shocked. Shouldn't he be rich and connected enough to get some sort of scheduled, quality, upscale gay sex with pre-screened partners? But a friend suggested that maybe whoever was procuring sex partners would end up blackmailing/spilling it. My questions are: What are the signs that someone is interested? Do straight guys get pissed off if you try making those kinds of advances, or are they more confused? Can you tell who's straight and who's not before making advances? Were you more often the person making the advances or fending off/receiving someone else's proposition?
Send a message via AIM to jayjay Quote: Originally Posted by Malodorous Isn't an airport restroom kinda extra risky? I'd be hard pressed to think of a place with more bored cops and security personnel then an airport, especially post 9/11. Like I said, I haven't gone stall-crawling in over a decade, but I still get a little bit of a thrill when I happen to use a restroom that is obviously a cruising toilet.
Send a message via AIM to jayjay Quote: Originally Posted by Zoggie My questions are: What are the signs that someone is interested? Do straight guys get pissed off if you try making those kinds of advances, or are they more confused? Can you tell who's straight and who's not before making advances? Were you more often the person making the advances or fending off/receiving someone else's proposition? And in well-known cruising toilets, most of the guys are going to be there for that particular activity. The evidence for that is most of the straight-person reaction to the Craig story. There's a definite difference in feeling about someone on the make and someone who's just their to use the restroom. It depended on the feeling I got about my "friend" over the wall.
Malodorous Malodorous is offline Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,277 Location: Quote: Originally Posted by jayjay Risk is part of the allure. Like I said, I haven't gone stall-crawling in over a decade, but I still get a little bit of a thrill when I happen to use a restroom that is obviously a cruising toilet.
Lemur866 Lemur866 is offline Charter Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 8,020 Location: The Middle of Puget Sound How do I put this delicately? Aren't you likely to find yourself having confronted with some hideous troll when you do this? What do you do when you open the other door and throw up in your mouth a little? How often did you back out once you got a look at the guy?
Send a message via AIM to jayjay Quote: Originally Posted by Lemur866 How do I put this delicately? Aren't you likely to find yourself having confronted with some hideous troll when you do this? What do you do when you open the other door and throw up in your mouth a little? How often did you back out once you got a look at the guy? I generally made my assessment based on the shoes and/or legs. I wasn't into very older guys (which, for most of that time, meant 40+), so sneakers were good. Dress shoes, suit trousers, dark socks, or plain cotton shorts weren't so great, as they usually meant older. If they looked young and in shape (as opposed to wrinkly or spindly) half of my criteria were met. I generally didn't commit myself unless I thought the person fit my type. I've been roped into a few that I probably wouldn't have touched with a 10-foot pole otherwise, but I was raised to be polite and telling them to scram after I'd issued the invitation would have been rude. Besides, I was no great catch myself (I kept telling myself)... I should note that I was also checking age to keep myself out of more trouble than I was already possibly getting myself into (at least after I turned 18). The only thing more guaranteed to stoke outrage than offering restroom sex to a straight man is offering restroom sex to a minor (by accident or design). And yes, I know that attitude is inconsistent with the age I began doing this stuff...
Kalhoun Kalhoun is offline Charter Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20,869 Location: Over by dere Quote: Originally Posted by Lemur866 How do I put this delicately? Aren't you likely to find yourself having confronted with some hideous troll when you do this? What do you do when you open the other door and throw up in your mouth a little? How often did you back out on...
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