8/3     Hypothesis: Many guys don't care whether the woman they're
        having sex with is enjoying it.  Women who enjoy sex in general,
        don't enjoy having sex with one of these guys.  Bitter Sexless Guy
        is one of these guys, therefore he doesn't get to have sex with
        women who enjoy it.
        \_ Why should you care if she enjoys it when she herself doesn't
           care and just wants it over with as quickly as possible?
           \_ begging the question.
              \_ My sister used to refer to sex with her husband as her
                 'wifely duty'. That is just such a turn-on for us guys,
                 but it is how women perceive sex.
                 \_ What does she refer to sex with you as?
                    \_ Incest
        \_ So what has the motd taught us about women?  They don't like sex,
           unless they're porn stars or psychologically damaged, but they
           still have sex but it is only to get to a guy's wallet, except for
           the 0, 2, or 30% of women are who nothing like that, except for the
           ones that BSG runs into who all can magically detect he is one of
           'those guys' who doesn't care if the woman is enjoying it.  Did I
           miss anything?  And oh yeah, a few people are morons, idiots, and/or
           misogynists but that goes without saying around here.
           \_ It's not that women can tell BDG doesn't enjoy sex, it's that
              women can tell BDG doesn't like women.
        \_ I don't think the idea was that the guy doesn't care, but that
           regardless if he cares, the woman still doesn't really enjoy it
           (on average as relationship time increases or some such).
           Actually I think that this really does apply to guys too... guys
           get bored of women too. There is still the issue that guys get off
           WAY more easily than most women.
           \_ No, there is science (as well as plenty of anecdote) which
              shows that many women enjoy sex.  So the question is why BSG
              has the impression that women don't enjoy sex, when many of
              them clearly do.  A possible answer is that he has no clue in
              bed.  -tom
              \_ What science is that?
                 \_ The recently-posted study, as well as dozens of others,
                    going back to the Kinsey Report.  -tom
                    \_ You don't believe Kinsey, do you?
                       \_ No, I trust Bitter Sexless Guy as the ultimate
                          authority on women's sexual behavior.  -tom
                          \_ Did you ever read Kinsey and what academics
                             think of it? Kinsey and Hite are crap.
                             \_ And Bitter Sexless Guy is respected as the
                                ultimate arbiter!
           \_  # According to an article published in the Journal of the
               American Medical Association, 43% of women suffer from some kind
               of sexual problem or another.
               # In a recent survey conducted by Laumann and colleagues at the
               University of Chicago, 33.4% of American women ages 18-59
               reported that HSDD (hypoactive sexual desire) was their most
               common sexual problem.
               \_ 18-59 is a huge age range.
               \_ Of those, almost 100% also mentioned other stresses in their
                  lives, including unromantic partners who were just interested
                  in getting off and rolling over.
               # I would make the argument that the 33% number is just
               self-reporting and the real number is much, much higher. I
               base this on anecdotal evidence, but for sake of argument
               let's assume that number is correct. You still have a 1 in 3
               chance of ending up with a frigid wife no matter how good
               of a lover or husband you are. To me, that's pretty
               indicative of women not really being into sex. What's the
               number for men? 5%? Less?
               \_ Asserting something doesn't make it true.  You must be
                  Republican.
                  \_ "let's assume that number is correct"
               \_ Lots of old guys are not interested in sex anymore.