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7/18 So the Dems keep the Senate up all night for a publicity stunt.
Wouldn't this be illegal if it were at Gitmo?
\_ weak troll. you get a D.
\_ Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term "filibuster."
\_ Interesting how the MSM won't call it a filibuster unless the
Dems do it.
\_ Too bad the Republicans didn't use the "nuclear option"
when they had the chance.
\_ That's because it's not a filibuster. It's just the Senate
leader pulling a hissyfit.
\_ BBZZZZTT.
\_ From the Washington Post: "The Republican success, using
the power of the filibuster, came after a marathon
all-night debate on an amendment to the defense bill. The
52-47 tally left Democrats eight votes short of the 60
necessary to force a vote on the measure."
Facts are such bitter, stubborn things.
\_ No need to be snotty. I actually hadn't heard it was a
filibuster. Thanks for the correction.
\_ Which is part of the point. Almost noone in the
media is willing to admit this is a filibuster.
\_ When Democrats do a filibuster, it's because they
hate America. When Republicans do it, it's
because they support the troops. I hope that
clears things up.
\_ No, the Dems are filibustering something that
we know the Pres would veto, so if they can't
even muster cloture, they can't override the
veto. So why waste the time pandering to
http://moveon.org? When Pubs filibustered court
nominations, they were asking for a simple
up-or-down vote. There is a difference and
pretending that there isn't one makes you look
silly. -emarkp
\_ The dems are not filibustering here. I think
you are unclear on your terms.
\_ The dems are not the ones filibustering
here. I think you are unclear on your terms
\_ Yep, I mistyped. I know that the
filibuster takes place with the minority.
Replace "are filibustering" with "are
pushing". -emarkp
\_ Dude, not being able to muster cloture MEANS
FILIBUSTER. That's what a filibuster is,
refusing cloture. The senate, unlike the
house, has slightly different rules so you
don't need to stand up at the podium and
read from a phone book, but refusing
cloture filibustering. The dems don't have
the votes to get around a veto, true, but
that is an entirely differnent issue. Why,
pray tell, won't the republicans in the
senate let them vote on the bill let it
go to the president to veto or not.
\_ Oh and also, the vote is on an amendment
to bill. (A amendment to a bill that it
is strongly related to I'll add.) If the
president vetos the bill he has to veto
the entire bill. A veto that may not
be politically feasable to do.
\_ Why bring attention to a policy that
over 2/3 of the voting public agrees
over 3/4 of the voting public agrees
with? Is that a serious question?
\_ Overriding the veto has nothing to do with
it. Nice dodge, though.
\_ Why does it have nothing to do with it?
It's legislation that Bush has vowed to
veto, and he's proved that he will veto
something like this (when they tried this
with the last appropriation bill for the
war). So unless they can muster 2/3,
it's pointless. -emarkp
\_ Again, do you really think it is
pointless to show your support for
a policy that an overwhelming majority\
of Americans agree with? You dismiss
a policy that an overwhelming majority
of Americans agree with? You dismiss
the anti-war opinion as the "moveon
crowd" but the truth is half the
country wants out of Iraq now and
another 1/4 wants out soon.
\_ Yeah, instead of wasting time
debating stuff the country actually
cares about, Congress should
follow the model of the Republican-led
Congress and spend their time
debating gay marriage and
flag-burning amendments. That
wouldn't be pointless at all! -tom |
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