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2007/7/18-19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47326 Activity:high
7/17    we haven't argued about the latest useless congressional
        gesture to pull america out of Iraq and deny the simple fact
        we're gonna be there for the next 60 years like Korea/West Bank/
        Japan, is everyone on vacation?
        \_ It's 7/18 now btw
        \_ We're in the West Bank?
        \_ How about Vietnam. Iraq is more like Vietnam, at least so far...
           \_ And our troops are still there! Oh, wait....
           \_ How long were US troops in Vietnam?
              \_ Zero days after we decided to pull out.
        \_ just pointing out israel is still in the west bank.
           \_ And despite your ZOG fantasies, US != Israel.
                \_ sorry.  didnt explain.  when Israel invaded west bank
                   they said they'd only stay a short time.  They're still
                   there, much to everyone involved's pain.
                   \_ Ye-es, but WE are not THEM.
                      \_ I agree, but I'm using an example from history.
                         \_ Why *that* example, then?  How about how the
                            Gaulic tribes are *still* in France 1500 years
                            later!  The bastards!  Save France for the French!
                            Kill the Gaulic invaders!
                            \_ you probably mean "gallic" or "gaulish"
                               \_ garlic
                               \_ Why do you hate the French?  We must save
                                  France!
        \_ All we are asking for is an up or down vote.
        \_ Why is it "useless"? Let me guess, you are a war supporter...
           \_ Am not war supporter.  I just think we're going to be in
              Iraq F O R E V E R.
              \_ I think President Hillary Rodham Clinton will have us out
                 in less than six months after she takes office. We shall see.
                 \_ You won't see.  She's not getting elected.
                    \_ And if she does get elected she won't be able to
                       get the US out in 6 months.
                       \_ That's true, too.  She isn't exactly pushing hard on
                          the "get the troops out now" agenda.
                          \_ Not according to all the right wing newspapers.
                             I think she is just tacking to the center and
                             will get bowled over by events, after she wins.
                             http://www.nysun.com/article/55102
                             \_ "... after she wins".  You're trolling or
                                drunk.  I don't care what left/right wing
                                newspapers say she says.  I read what she
                                says.
                    \_ Really? Who is going to win in her stead?
                       "None of the above?"
                       \_ My dog.  Anyone with a heart beat, age 35+.  Charles
                          Manson.  Rowdy Roddy Piper.  Anyone.
                          \_ Are you the same guy who predicted that we would
                             find WMD in Iraq? Just wondering, because I am
                             predicting that Hillary will not get beaten
                             by a Republican. BTW, I predicted that we would
                             *not* find WMD in Iraq, so my record is pretty
                             good.
                             curious how good your track record is.
                             \_ No.  But given the lack of serious effort put
                                into controlling the country after the attack
                                started and all the trucks rolling in various
                                directions before I wouldn't be at all
                                surprised if we hear in 30 years they were
                                there and the Bush admin decided it was less
                                stupid to have invaded and not found them than
                                invaded and let them slip away.  Now then, if
                                it was Roddy Piper vs. my dog, it'd be a really
                                interesting race.  Piper still has a lot of
                                wrestling fans, but my dog can speak English
                                better so he's going to win all 3 debates.
                             \_ The US is not ready for a female President,
                                especially a polarizing one like Clinton.
                                The Dems should push hard to make sure she
                                does not get the nomination, because if
                                she does (or if Obama does) then I predict
                                another Republican win. I have always
                                voted Democrat for President (even though I am
                                a 'decline to state') but I would not vote
                                for Hilary Clinton. I would vote for Bill,
                                though.
                 \_ Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
                    constructed.
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