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"The authors reviewed 899 wars fought in China between 1000 and 1911
and found a correlation between the frequency of warfare and records
of temperature changes."
\_ Universal Privatization will solve the problem! -Republican
\_ economics cause wars. When you have an economy that is largely
depends upon weather, it is not a surprise that weather changes
cause wars. This is also the reason why a lot of information the
Emperor collects are percipataion records through out the land...
He knew his throne is depend upon it.
\_ You mean Emperor George II of the Royal House of Bush?
\_ Aggression increases with temperature. Just look at how people
in S Cal drive. Also look at Africa and the # of wars.
South=dumb, north=smart.
\_ Damn those dumb ... smart Canadians.
\_ Yes, the peaceful Vikings.
\_ Yes, England was very peaceful. You have to tell me
what you are smoking.
\_ good thing it's imaginary
\_ Global Warming causes *everything*. Didn't you know?
\_ I thought everything caused GW?
\_ GWB causes GW, so by transitivity...
\_ Jared Diamond's "Collapse" has some pretty good analysis of
architectural evidence of wars and conflict surrounding the tail
archaeological evidence of wars and conflict surrounding the tail
end of the Mayan, Greenland-Norse, and Easter-Island civilizations
when they hit a time of severe resource shorages brought on by
climate change.
\_ Greenland Norse did great when it was warm. When it was cold it
was unsurvivably cold. Mayans most likely died of disease.
Easter Islanders simply used up their island. I'm sure it is
a really good book anyway.
\_ Jared Diamond is far too intelligent too attribute multiple
\_ If it's unsurvivably cold, how did the Inuit continue living
there? -tom
\_ because they were better adapted to living there
(culturally). This is one of the things covered in the
book, whose tag-line also is 'How Societies choose to
Fail or Succeed'. The Norse were doing some outright
stupid stuff, including, oddly, not eating fish, one of
the most abundant food supplies there.
\_ I've read the book. My point is that the Greenland
Norse more or less chose to starve to death rather than
change their culture. Greenland is not unsurvivably
cold, it's just unsurvivably cold for bovine-based
agriculture. -tom
\_ Yes. And we know what about the vikings? Oh yeah
that they had a farm+cow based culture and didn't
change. From which we can conclude it was
unsurvivably cold for our subjects. Thank you.
\_ 32 degrees is "unsurvivably cold" for someone
who refuses to put on a jacket. The point is
that Greenland temperatures are survivable,
but the society collapsed due to poor choices.
-tom
\_ Greenland didn't hit 32 degrees. Maybe 32
below. Their society did not have the skills
or cultural understanding of what was required
to live in temps like that and wouldn't have
wanted to anyway. Even the Thuule/Eskimo/etc
had summer and winter homes they migrated
between. You can bet your ass they didn't
winter in Greenland during a mini-ice age
because it was unsurvivable.
\_ The Norse didn't understand environments as
cold as the southern tip of Greenland? Then
what do you call Trondheim?
\_ Not really. They just barely hung on, and they were
dependent on imports of key items like iron tools.
\_ The Norse? In Greenland? They starved to death or left.
\_ And/or killed each other for resources during the bad
winters, but this was mostly just the usual opportunist
stuff. Also, some intermarried and disappeared into the
native population.
\_ The native population? In Greenland? At that time?
Say what?
\_ Also known as "eskimos"
\_ At what time do you think this happened?
\_ That's "Thule-Inuit" to you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_people
\_ There's no evidence that the Norsemen ever
intermarried with the Greenlanders.
\_ You know, I don't if you're being contentious or
are arguing from an archeological/genetic POV.
The Norse were infamous for intermarriage; they
had extensive contact with the skraelingr in
Greenland; thus it's not a huge leap to infer
intermarriage. However, I have no archeological/
genetic proof to offer you.
\_ Jared Diamond is far too intelligent to attribute multiple
major collapse events to climate as a major cause. -- ilyas
major collapse events to climate as a major cause.
I have touched Jared Diamond. -- ilyas
\_ it wasn't just climate for all of them (Easter Island and
the Mayans were attributed more to environmental damge --
overfarmnig/deforestation), but the common thread was
conflict/warfare over the few remaining limited resources.
Not surprising -- who would expect people to starve to
death peaceably.
\_ and in the cases where climate change was attributed, it
was more as the tipping point that drove a marginal society
over the edge into chaos and decline.
\_ any society that close to the edge will eventually tip.
be it disease, war, lack of some resource due to any
cause, they're going over. climate change is not a
reason to fall over. the effects from climate change
might be but only for a doomed weak society. |
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