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2007/7/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:47227 Activity:high
7/8     Did you forget to take your medication, ilyas?
        \_ The republican cuts means I ll stay out on the streets forever.
             -- ilyas
           ...
           The serious answer is the motd is where I go slumming.  This is not
           a forum for serious discussion, never has been, never will be.
           In fact, why do you suppose the motd survives in this age of
           google groups, blogs, ubiquitous (and moderated) bulletin boards for
           any conceivable topic, and so on?  People go slumming on the motd,
           that's why it survives.  -- ilyas
           \_ Name one forum where the diversity of opinion and quality of
              the discussion is as high. I have searched far and wide
              but the sad truth is that most Internet forums are overrun
              by idiots. The motd is only partially so. -ausman
              \_ You are kidding, right?  I read (and occasionally participate
                 in) the discussions on http://overcomingbias.com, Scott Aaronson's
                 blog, and some other places.  Granted, the topics there are
                 somewhat restricted, but the level of discussion is much
                 higher.  I will grant you that occasionally interesting and
                 insightful things happen on the motd, as on most places on
                 the internet, but by and large the motd is full of banality,
                 biased political discussions, and trolling.  -- ilyas
                 blog, and some other places.  And you know, I am not an
                 Internet jockey by any means, I am sure if I took the time
                 to seek out interesting content I would find much more.
                 Granted, the topics there are somewhat restricted, but the
                 level of discussion is much higher.  I will grant you that
                 occasionally interesting and insightful things happen on
                 the motd, as on most places on the Internet, but by and large
                 the motd is full of banality, political shouting matches, and
                 trolling.  I hate to agree with Holub, whom I can't stand
                 for a number of reasons, but he's right: the motd will stay
                 a morass until anonymity is removed.  I do find your
                 optimism touching, however. -- ilyas
                 \_ Tom is the smartest and best educated guy I know.  How
                    *DARE* you disrespect him?!  Don't you know who he is??
                 \_ No, I am not kidding. I have found plenty of narrowly
                    focused blogs that have good discussion and plenty of
                    wide raging blogs that are echo chambers, but none that
                    combine both.
                    \_ Combine what, good discussion with an echo chamber? :)
                    \_ Combine what, narrow focus with an echo chamber? :)
                       Blogs of academics (like overcomingbias or shtetl)
                       tend to be fairly wide-ranging actually, they just
                       tend to start from a particular point of view that is
                       that particular academic's area.  Good discussion
                       here is the exception, not the rule.  It's not supported
                       here is the exception, not the rule.  It's supported
                       neither by the medium, nor, frankly, by the crowd.
                         -- ilyas
                       \_ Why do you waste your time then? I think you were
                          gone for a while, what brought you back?
                          \_ As I said, the motd is where I go slumming.
                               -- ilyas, Iraq War Supporter Numbah 1!
                               -- ilyas
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