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7/7     Nearly half of Americans support impeaching Bush.  More than half
        support impeaching Cheney.
        http://www.pollster.com/blogs/arg_and_others_on_impeachment.php
        \_ So? More than half believe in the law of Jesus Christ
           \_ Jesus Christ is not a fringe idea, and neither is impeachment.
              However, it is routinely derided as such.
              \- i dunno who this dood is, and i think he goes off the rails
                 a bit at the end with the mob boss stuff, but this is a
                 good paragraph ....
                 http://www.lakeexpo.com/articles/2007/07/07/lake_news/02.txt
                    Now, George Bush and his cronies are showing America
                    in the  worst possible light.  They are illuminating
                    the  chasm between  the weak  and the  powerful, the
                    rich   and   the  poor,   the   connected  and   the
                    disconnected. They are doing  all they can to find a
                    death  row  cell for  the  American  Dream and  when
                    crunch  time comes,  giving none  of us  hope  for a
                    commutation of that sentence.
        \_ I suspect far fewer even know what impeachment means.
        \_ More than 85% of Americans believe in the personification of
           the Biblical Angels, too.  They're still looking for a pin, though.
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png American Research Group (ARG) asked 1100 respondents 7/3-5/07: Do you favor or oppose the US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against President George W Bush? The results found 45% in favor and 46% opposed, with 9% undecided. Those are striking numbers, but deserve a bit of context. First, as anyone would expect, there are sharp partisan divisions on this question, with 69% of Democrats, 50% of independents and 13% of Republicans support impeachment proceedings. One might wonder if 13% of Republicans supporting the impeachment of their president is really a credible estimate here. It seems large, given continued Republican support for President Bush in job approval in comparison to that of Democrats and independents. Likewise, we might wonder if support for impeachment has risen in the immediate aftermath of the Libby sentence commutation. ARG asked an impeachment question in a poll taken 3/13-15/06. Those results are shown in the top right panel of the plot. So this comparison suggests a small increase in support overall, and among Dems and independents, and a small DECREASE in support for impeachment among Republicans since the March survey. But these are modest changes, not large increases in impeachment sentiment. One might also ask if the ARG survey results are typical of responses in other polls. There the answer is no, the ARG results show more support for impeachment than other polls do. At the same time as the ARG March survey, Newsweek's poll taken 3/16-17/06, used a slightly different wording but found 26% in favor of impeachment, 69% opposed, well below the 42% ARG found at that time. Newsweek also found very low levels of support for impeachment among Republicans (5%) which seems more reasonable to me. Their results were 25% in favor, 70% opposed and 5% undecided, VERY similar to the March Newsweek results. Finally, the breakdowns by party in the Time/SRBI poll are also similar to the earlier Newsweek: 48% Dem, 22% Ind, and 4% Rep in favor of impeachment. The conclusion is that there is little evidence for a substantial increase in support for impeachment, over the past 16 months, and the ARG results appear to be at the high end of support in comparison to other polling. It would be nice to have another new poll to compare with the current ARG results to see if this pattern has continued. Bush has effectively admitted to violating FISA many, many times, for no coherent reason other than to bypass the oversight process. While you might argue that the Constitution doesn't necessarily specify breaking the law as a prerequisite for impeachment, that is the implication, and I feel it's foolish to include this as legitimate grounds for impeachment. If impeachment is to be taken seriously, it must be treated as a means for upholding the rule of law, and not as a vindictive political act. 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She went on to say that when Bush won, she said she would support him because he was our President, but America is about being able to say that the President is wrong, that he cheated, and that he should be replaced. I have to say, I was already sensing a shift among voters this week who have thus far not considered impeachment; non-politicial junkies who were generally tuned out on the endless details of the Libby trial, but understand what just happened as clear as day. com/public_content/politics/39_favor_i mpeaching_bush ) shows opposition to Bush being "impeached and removed from office" by only 49-39, with 12%saying they Haven't Decided. Independents oppose it by only 5 points (18 months ago, they opposed it by 21 points). Voters under 30 favor it by 18 points (with only 6% of them undecided). Combine this with that mildly Dem-biased ARG poll, and clearly this is no longer a "fringe idea". The SMM (Sluggish Mainstream Media) had better catch onto the fact. Bush should be impeached for his failure to secure our borders, not for anything the libs want. That is why so many "former"Republicans would vote for his impeachment. Bush should be impeached for his failure to secure our borders, not for anything the libs want. That is why so many "former"Republicans would vote for his impeachment. Bush should be impeached for his failure to secure our borders, not for anything the libs want. That is why so many "former"Republicans would vote for his impeachment. Bush should be impeached for violating the Geneva Convention and the War Crimes Act. His own AG warned him that his treatment of the Guantanamo POWs would open him up to that charge. Post a comment Name: Email Address: URL: Comments: (you may use HTML tags for style) Please Note: Although our comment section is not moderated, you may experience a slight delay before your comment appears.
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THE WAY IT IS: Typewriters hurled over Scooter Libby fiasco By Steve Thomas Saturday, July 7, 2007 12:24 AM CDT A little background here might help... In what can only be seen as an odd way of rebelling, I became a Republican. I put up yard signs for Kit Bond in 1972 and was happy when Richard Nixon was re-elected. People weren't getting drafted anymore and in my kid-world, things were pretty good. As time went on, I found myself more in line with moderate Republicans who effectively managed the Cold War and tried to keep government out of my life. I thought Ford, Reagan, Bush #1 were all good presidents. I thought Jimmy Carter was a well-meaning screw up, though he's become a first-rate ex-president. I thought Clinton was okay because for the most part, he was a moderate. It's worth noting that Clinton started getting things done when Republicans took over Congress and he had someone to fight with and bargain with instead of trying to manage Congressional Democrats, a task that compares unfavorably with roping cats. He responded to 9/11 with the right amount of diplomacy and force. I never thought much of his tax cuts - I'm not rich - and I found his constant harping on family values and morals to be distasteful. I supported the Iraq War in the beginning, but as its mismanagement grew, so did my disillusionment. When the New Orleans levees gave way, so did my belief in the Republican Party. This was an American city, pulverized by nature - though with plenty of notice, unlike an earthquake - and although the local and state authorities (which were Democrats) reacted with monumental ineptitude, I had confidence that a Republican administration would get the situation under control and lead a swift rebuilding. Instead, a great American city has been left to pull itself out of the mess while thousands of American citizens haven't been able get decent housing or assistance from the federal government, which is firmly in the hands of the Republicans. Maybe the Republicans were grossly incompetent or simply indifferent because most of the hardest-hit victims were poor or non-white or both. No matter what, a Republican administration showed itself to be either monumentally inept or cruelly, methodically callous. Either way, I didn't want anything more to do with the Republicans. So I declared myself an Independent and have been so since. It was hard for me to walk away from a party that had been my political home since my youth. Now Bush has commuted the jail sentence of former aide Scooter Libby. After being convicted by a jury and sentenced by a judge to 30 months for obstruction of justice, Bush pulled the plug on incarceration after a higher court ruled that Scooter had to start doing time while his appeals progressed through the system. Bush exercised his Constitutional authority and kept Scooter out of jail, saying the sentence was excessive. This made me think about what Hunter S Thompson wrote after Ford pardoned Nixon in 1974: "Well... That sold-out knucklehead refugee from a 1969 Mister Clean' TV commercial has just done what only the most cynical and paranoid kind of malcontent ever connected with national politics would have dared to predict... "If I followed my better instincts right now, I would put this typewriter in the Volvo and drive to the home of the nearest politician -- any politician -- and hurl the g****** machine through his front window ... flush the bugger out with an act of lunatic violence then soak him down with mace and run him naked down Main Street in Aspen with a bell around his neck and black lumps all over his body from the jolts of a high powered "Ball Buster" cattle prod. "But old age has either mellowed me or broken my spirit to the point where I will probably not do that -- at least not today, because that blundering dupe in the White House has just plunged me into a deep and vicious hole." After Bush scrubbed a stay in the gray bar hotel for Scooter Libby, I sat in my study for a long time, drink in hand, and eyed my 1970s IBM Selectric typewriter with dark intentions. Would I have to do jail time for chucking an old machine through a politician's window in an act of angry protest while Libby roamed free? Once charged, I would be obliged to find an attorney who would defend me on the grounds of justifiable outrage and a strike for common sense. In the end, though, I would just have a lamentable conviction on my record and have to pay for the living room window of someone who might be just as fed up as I Libby should have gone to jail, period. He was found guilty, sentenced by a judge and his bid to put off his jail time during appeals was rejected by a panel of judges. I think the man who prosecuted the Libby case, Patrick Fitzgerald, put it well in his statement after the commutation: "We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing. "Although the President's decision eliminates Mr Libby's sentence of imprisonment, Mr Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process." At least one sentence of that statement is worth repeating: "It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals." It reminds me of another quote, but this one from a fictional character, attorney Atticus Finch in Harper Lee's classic, "To Kill A Mockingbird:" "Now gentlemen, in this country our courts are the great levelers, and in our courts all men are created equal. I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and of our jury system. The president's action in the Libby case has made this living, working reality into a debased, sad fantasy. Unless all men are equal before the bar of justice, no man is equal before the bar of justice. The commutation of Libby's sentence undermines the faith of the American people in the system of justice, underscoring a growing perception that this nation is increasingly unequal, that there is not one American dream but instead many American nightmares, that we are no longer a nation where competition and compassion can coexist in a unique if sometimes uncomfortable fashion. Instead we are faced with some ugly questions and answers: -Among the American military, who is dying in Iraq and Afghanistan? For the most part, people who found their best economic opportunities in the armed services, though love of country has always outweighed dollar signs among soldiers I have known. The poor, who had little to lose, but lost it all anyway. The working poor and the lower middle class who are finding fewer and fewer opportunities for work. Anyone who isn't Scooter Libby, a guy with a lot of dirty secrets about the man who had the power to commute his sentence and who, with a stroke of a pen, did just that. America has never been a perfect, fair, country motivated only by unconditional love. It has never been a paradise or without its great flaws. However, no matter how big the flaws, there have always been even greater strengths to light the way into the future. Now, George Bush and his cronies are showing America in the worst possible light. They are illuminating the chasm between the weak and the powerful, the rich and the poor, the connected and the disconnected. They are doing all they can to find a death row cell for the American Dream and when crunch time comes, giving none of us hope for a commutation of that sentence. This administration has found comfort in secret courts, domestic spying, defying Congressional subpoenas, smudging the protective line between church and state, developing policies behind closed doors, ignoring corruption and treating compromise with contempt. When it comes to the big ...