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7/4     Happy 4th of July! Support our troops! Support our president!
        Why Bush commuted Libby's sentence instead of pardoning him:
        http://www.csua.org/u/j2p (Economist's View)
        \_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1859825/posts
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libby sentence commuted ********* STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT The United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit today rejected Lewis Libby's request to remain free on bail while pursuing his appeals for the serious convictions of perjury and obstruction of justice. As a result, Mr Libby will be required to turn himself over to the Bureau of Prisons to begin serving his prison sentence. I have said throughout this process that it would not be appropriate to comment or intervene in this case until Mr Libby's appeals have been exhausted. But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision. From the very beginning of the investigation into the leaking of Valerie Plame's name, I made it clear to the White House staff and anyone serving in my administration that I expected full cooperation with the Justice Department. Dozens of White House staff and administration officials dutifully cooperated. After the investigation was under way, the Justice Department appointed United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois Patrick Fitzgerald as a Special Counsel in charge of the case. Mr Fitzgerald is a highly qualified, professional prosecutor who carried out his responsibilities as charged. This case has generated significant commentary and debate. Critics of the investigation have argued that a special counsel should not have been appointed, nor should the investigation have been pursued after the Justice Department learned who leaked Ms Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak. Furthermore, the critics point out that neither Mr Libby nor anyone else has been charged with violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act, which were the original subjects of the investigation. Finally, critics say the punishment does not fit the crime: Mr Libby was a first-time offender with years of exceptional public service and was handed a harsh sentence based in part on allegations never presented to the jury. Others point out that a jury of citizens weighed all the evidence and listened to all the testimony and found Mr Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. They argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable. They say that had Mr Libby only told the truth, he would have never been indicted in the first place. Both critics and defenders of this investigation have made important points. In preparing for the decision I am announcing today, I have carefully weighed these arguments and the circumstances surrounding this case. Mr Libby was sentenced to thirty months of prison, two years of probation, and a $250,000 fine. In making the sentencing decision, the district court rejected the advice of the probation office, which recommended a lesser sentence and the consideration of factors that could have led to a sentence of home confinement or probation. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison. My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged. His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting. The Constitution gives the President the power of clemency to be used when he deems it to be warranted. It is my judgment that a commutation of the prison term in Mr Libby's case is an appropriate exercise of this power. View Replies To: ConservativeMan55 Gibson said Libby will still have the conviction on his record. will have two years probation and STILL will have to pay a 250,000 dollar fine. View Replies To: ConservativeMan55 I expect Scooter does not yet want the pardon; gives Libby the chance to appeal based on the merits without having to spend time in jail. Sandy Berger gets a slap on the wrist for stealing and destroying classified material and Scooter Libby gets 3 years for different recollections with regards to a he said/he said conversation with a slime reporter (if you want to call Tim Russert a reporter). But what does one expect - Berger is a Dim and Libby is a Republican. last Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
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"Morality and Economics" July 02, 2007 Why Bush Commuted Libby's Sentence, But Did Not Pardon Him Jeff Lomonaco has a nice statement about why Bush commuted Libby's sentence - and he should get credit for writing it over two weeks ago. As Brad notes, this was an op-ed submitted to the LA Times that "did not take": Why Bush will Commute Libby's Sentence - but Not Pardon Him, by Jell Lomonaco: With Judge Reggie Walton's ruling that Scooter Libby must begin serving his prison sentence before the appeal of his convictions has run its course, the pressure from Libby's supporters on President Bush to keep Libby out of prison is certain to intensify. President Bush, however, is unlikely to outright pardon Libby for a simple reason: to protect himself and Vice President Cheney. If Bush were to pardon Libby, he and Vice President Cheney would give up the rationale they have used successfully for four years to avoid addressing their own roles in the case. And Libby's trial made very clear that the President and Vice President played significant and troubling roles at the very heart of the case. It is for the very same reason that Bush is more likely to follow the advice some have offered him and commute Libby's prison sentence, allowing Libby to remain free while he pursues legal vindication. Libby was convicted on four counts of obstruction of justice, perjury and false statements in connection with the account he gave to investigators of how he learned the identify of CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson and whether and how he disclosed that information to the press. At the trial, the event that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said was at the heart of the case was Libby's July 8, 2003 conversation with New York Times reporter Judith Miller at the St. Both prosecution and defense agreed that this interview was of unusual, even singular nature and importance. Kept secret from others in the Office of the Vice President, most notably Cheney's chief press aide Cathie Martin, who would normally handle interview logistics with reporters, both sides also agreed that Libby was acting at Cheney's direction in talking with Miller. There was no dispute that, after Libby expressed reservations about leaking classified information to Miller, Cheney went to President Bush to get his authorization to leak information to the press to answer the searing criticisms Plame's husband, Joe Wilson, had made of the administration's case for war. There was dispute, however, over the distinct purpose of what the defense called the "secret mission" Libby undertook at the behest of the President and Vice President. Libby and his defense team contended that it was to leak Miller portions of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraqi WMD to bolster the administration's case. And Libby categorically denied to the grand jury that the meeting had anything to do with Plame and her CIA identity. First, the prosecution showed at trial, principally through Judith Miller's testimony about the July 8 meeting backed up by her contemporaneous notes of it, that Libby did indeed disclose Plame's CIA identity to her. It was also demonstrated that Cheney himself was focused on the idea that Wilson's wife had sent him on his mission for the CIA at that very moment. Second, it turns out that Libby was leaking portions of the NIE to other reporters, and doing so without the secrecy that surrounded his meeting with Miller, both before and after he leaked that information to Miller on July 8 Libby leaked the NIE to Bob Woodward in June, and - in press aide Cathie Martin's presence - to David Sanger and Andrea Martin in July. Together, those revelations undercut the notion that the NIE leak was the distinctive purpose of Libby's secret mission, and instead make clear that at least part of the distinctive purpose was to leak Plame's CIA identity to Miller in an effort to get the Times to publish that information. That in turn raises troubling questions about Cheney and Bush's role in sending Libby on his secret mission. Cheney's hand-written notes on Wilson's op-ed from two days earlier showed that he was focused on Wilson's wife's alleged role in her husband's mission. How likely is it that Cheney did not direct Libby to disclose information about Plame to Miller? And what was the substance of Cheney and Bush's discussion shortly before Libby went on his secret mission to disclose previously-classified information to the press with the President's permission? Published reports have indicated that Bush told Cheney something to the effect of "Get it out," or "Let's get this out," referring to information that would damage the case Joe Wilson was making against the administration. Libby himself testified before the grand jury that Cheney told him something strikingly similar. That means that if Bush and Cheney discussed Wilson's wife before the direction was given, the President was effectively authorizing his subordinate to disclose Plame's CIA identity to the press. It is precisely out of the desire to avoid such uncomfortable questions for himself and his vice president that President Bush is likely not to pardon Libby but to commute his sentence, or otherwise keep him out of prison without fully clearing him. That would enable Libby to remain free while he seeks legal vindication through the appeals process. But more importantly, it would enable Bush and Cheney to continue the strategy they have successfully pursued in deterring journalists seeking their explanations with claims that they shouldn't comment on an ongoing legal proceeding. If Bush were to pardon Libby, he and Cheney would no longer have such a rationale for evading the press' questions - nor would Libby be able to claim the right against self-incrimination to resist testifying before Congress about the role that Cheney and Bush played in directing his conduct. But if Bush simply commutes Libby's prison sentence without effectively vacating Libby's conviction, the appeals process goes forward and Bush and Cheney continue to have their rationale for not answering the press' questions. This strategy would also have the added benefit for Bush of eliminating the chance, however remote, that under the pressure of prison time away from his family and abandoned by the White House he served loyally, Libby himself would tell the true story of his own and others' conduct. There is no reason why the press and Congress should rest content with Bush and Cheney's refusal to answer questions about their own role in what turned out to be an important episode in the history of the Bush administration. Regardless of what he does, the President should not be allowed to complete the cover up of his and Cheney's role that Libby successfully conducted for four years, and for which he is now on the verge of being punished. 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