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2007/7/1-5 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:47143 Activity:high
6/30    JOBS IS YOUR NEW iGOD
                         \- link:tinyurl.com/2sxpf4
                            \_ Here is the full article:
                               http://nymag.com/news/features/33524
        \_ Maybe he will actually allow his OS to run in a VM some day.
           I don't get all of the iPhone hype. It's a phone. It's a nice
           phone, but it's a phone. It doesn't do anything existing
           devices didn't do, do them cheaper, or possibly even better (I
           haven't used one yet, so I can't say). Why is there so much
           hype over a flipping phone? My coworker took off work yesterday
           to go get one and when he did he had to spam us all with photos
           of him in line, him opening the box, and so on. Give me a
           break. I'm sure I'll have some similar device in a year or two
           and it will be more featureful and cost half as much. Why is
           this such a "must have" device that people will wait in line
           to pay $600 for one? And I'm not talking Mac geeks here. I'm
           talking 20 year old receptionists in Des Moines.
           \_ let me guess, you also think most people are stupid right?
              \_ Just people who wait in line for a new phone.  -John
           \_ I'm a well educated urbanite and I simply don't understand
              why people want to live in Los Angeles! It is a total dump
              because *I* hate LA and I don't see WHY anyone else wants
              to live there!</sarcasm>
           \_ What about iPod and Gucci and Louis Vouitton stuff? They are
              completely useless shit yet people want them. Why? And what
              and Porsche Cayenne and Chevy Suburban? Clearly they have
              no values for 98% of the daily commutes in the US but people
              want them. Why?
              \_ People do not typically line up at 4am a day in advance
                 to buy a Gucci bag or a Suburban. My question is not:
                 "Why do people want a phone?" as much as "Why is this
                 particular phone so hyped?"
                 \- they might line up at 4am to get a Birkin Bag. It also
                    costs 10x - 100x what an iPhone costs. Yes, I am not
                    kidding ... a bag pricier than a Suburban.
                    \_ Purchacing one of these should be grounds for
                       institutionalization.
                       \- if you make me king for 6mos,
                          i will deal with them.
                          \_ Shithead.
                          \_ Welcome, King of Hearts.
                             \_ I think you mean Queen of Hearts: OFF WITH
                                THEIR HEADS!  Partha, you know that you don't
                                hit people, right?  You know, grade school
                                stuff. -- ilyas
                                \_ No, ilyas, I meant The King of Hearts,
                                   with Alan Bates. If he's King of this lot,
                                   trust me, the analogy is apt. --erikred
                                   \_ My apologies, that's even funnier.
                 \_ I can't speak for the great unwashed since I didn't line
                    up to buy one, but I'm excited at the idea of an LCARS-
                    esque interface. I know the iPhone is not that, but it's a
                    step closer, and that's worth getting excited about. That
                    said, I don't have $500 for a toy right now.
           \_ Well, iPods are the most popular mp3 players, so getting that
              with a phone and google maps and whatever must be appealing.
              It's a lot of money yeah. I don't know, a lot of people like
              to spend money on gadgets and cars. If I travelled around a lot
              I think this phone could be quite useful. My non-sexy phone
              already plays mp3s fine though and cost nothing.
              \_ I forgot to mention that you have to use Cingular's crappy
                 service. As a current Cingular customer that would seal
                 the deal for me *not* getting an iPhone right there.
              \_ "Yes, but MINE is an apple!"
                 http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2005-05-08.shtml
                 \_ I was reading this, thinking "wow, what an amazingly
                    stupid person" then I realized it was OSC. Good for a laugh,
                    but boy is that guy clueless...
                    \_ I thought he was spot on.
                       Everybody else makes black notebook computers.
                       Apple decides to be different and makes white/silver ones
                       Apple later makes black ones just like everybody else
                       and now prices them $150 more than their white/silver
                       ones.
                       Apple fanbois are idiots.
                       \_ Do you really think that OS X has the same amount
                          of security and reliability flaws as Windows XP?
                          \_ Do you really think the addition of Randy Moss
                             significantly increases the odds of the Pats
                             winning the Super Bowl? What the hell does your
                             question have to do with the statement above?
                             Stupid Apple fanbois...
                             \_ Awesome: you'd rather have a cheaper, easier-
                                to-zombify machine. The irony is choking me.
                                \_ Your Alanis Morissette sense of irony is
                                   choking me.
                                \_ I don't know about "easier-to-zombify", but
                                   I, for one, would indeed rather have a
                                   cheaper machine, all else being equal.
                                   \_ I use both at work and home, so I have
                                      no emotional investment here, but the
                                      point seems to be that "all else" is not
                                      equal.
                                      \_ Ya think? Why do you think I said
                                         "all else being equal"? Maybe because
                                         I understand they aren't? The point is
                                         that cost is not a virtue. (But if you
                                         want to get into it, I find them equal
                                         enough that what matters is the apps
                                         available, and Windows wins there.)
                             \_ Did you even read OSC's rant? If you did, your
                                English comprehension skills are very poor. Or
                                maybe I should just follow your lead and say:
                                OSC fanbois are idiots.
                                \_ Yes I did read the rant. Did you? One of his
                                   main points is that Apple fanbois seem to
                                   always think that Apple invents stuff that
                                   they just copy. I cited an actual example.
                                   Everybody makes black notebooks. Apple at
                                   first made white ones. Then when they decide
                                   to "think different" and make black notebooks
                                   like everyone else, the Apple fanbois are like
                                   like everyone else, the Apple fanbois are all
                                   OMG! Black! Must have! and Apple charges a
                                   premium for a product that now looks like
                                   everyone else. Now, idiot, please spell out
                                   everything else. Now, idiot, please spell out
                                   why this is untrue without an ad hominem
                                   attack or bashing Microsoft/Sony/Motorola.
                                   Fucking dumbass.
                                   attack on the author (I don't even know who
                                   OSC is other than that he wrote Ultimate
                                   Iron Man which sucked) or bagging on
                                   Microsoft/Sony/Motorola which was never
                                   brought up by me or OSC. Fucking dumbass.
                                   \_ Pretty amusing that the guy who says
                                      "Apple fanbois are idiots" and "fucking
                                       dumbass" now complains about ad hominem
                                       \_ It's called a demonstration of real
                                          irony, moron.
                                          irony, you fucking turd burglar.
                                          \_ Is the part where you claim there
                                             is no reference to Windows in the
                                             article supposed to be "irony" as
                                             well? I am so confused, what part
                                             of your argument is a genuine
                                             attempt to make a point and what
                                             part is just an attempt to
                                             ironically make yourself look
                                             clueless? Maybe you could use
                                             markup tags next time.
                                       attacks. Go back now and v-e-r-y
                                       s-l-o-w-l-y read the part where OSC
                                       says that Mac's are no better than
                                       Windows because they have security
                                       bugs, too! Perhaps you did not realize
                                       this, but the line "just like Windows"
                                       is a reference to a Microsoft operating
                                       system (which you claim OSC never
                                       brought up). He also explicitly mentions
                                       Microsoft in the line "despite the best
                                       efforts of Microsoft." Read more
                                       carefully next time.
                                       \_ Yeah, I find it totally amusing that
                                          you're a total buffoon.
                                   \_ I know you don't care, but your facts
                                      are mostly wrong. Although the Mac
                                      Portable could arguably be called white,
                                      all powerbooks until the g3 era where
                                      grey. In the g3 era, the powerbooks
                                      were black and the iBooks were white
                                      + color (like the iMacs) (the first
                                      all white iBook came in May 2001). The
                                      black powerbooks were much loved amongst
                                      the fan base. Many fans did not like the
                                      switch to Ti and Al. It is for these
                                      historic customers that Apple seems
                                      to have reintroduced the black MacBook.
                                      The assertion that Apple decided to
                                      "think different" by copying others
                                      is, therefore, mostly inaccurate.
                                      I can understand that you may not
                                      understand why someone would pay more
                                      for a black MacBook than a white one.
                                      That may be a valid argument, but
                                      then again people seem to be willing
                                      to pay more to buy cars and clothes in
                                      specific colors and the use of such
                                      colors, though common by some is still
                                      regarded as "innovated" when adopted by
                                      a major market participant - perhaps
                                      as a reflection of the economic risk
                                      involved.
                                      specific colors.
                 \_ "I took History of English in grad school and followed the
                     familiar pattern -- attempt to explain how English got to
                     be the way it is today."
                    As a former English major, I find OSC harder and harder to
                    take seriously. Can he not afford an editor?
                \_ I think Cingular went away didnt it
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Features Steve Jobs in a Box Its a stunning box, a wizard object with a passel of amazing features (Its a phone! But for all its marvels, the iPhone inaugurates a dangerous new era for Jobs. Illustration by Default (Photo: Harald Franzen/Zuma Press) He saunters out onstage, and the first thing you think is, man, Steve Jobs looks old. The second thing you think is, no, not old: He finally looks his age. Well into his forties, Jobs appeared to have pulled off some kind of unholy Dorian Gray maneuver. But now, at 52, his hair is seriously thinning, his frame frail-seeming, his gait halting and labored. His striking facial featuresthe aquiline nose, the razor-gash dimplesare speckled with ash-gray stubble. A caricaturist would draw him as a hybrid of Andre Agassi and Salman Rushdie. The senescence on display is jarring, but its also fitting. After three decades as Silicon Valleys regnant enfant terrible, Jobs has suddenly, improbably, morphed into its presiding minence grise. The stage in question is at the Four Seasons in Carlsbad, California, where Jobs has come this afternoon in May for The Wall Street Journal conference D: All Things Digital. Well very shortly be in three businesses and a hobby, Jobs replies, projecting the mildest affect he can musteryet still the crowd is goggle-eyed, as if Bono were in the house. The clich of Jobs as rock star is, of course, hoary to the point of enfeeblement. From the start of his careerwhich is to say, for his entire adult lifehe has radiated a mesmeric presence, his reality-distortion field. But as Jobs makes clear today, Apples reality is no longer in need of much distortion. last month, AAPL was named to the S&P 100, making it a bona fide blue chip. With what Jobs dubs a hobby, Apple TV, the company has invaded the sanctum sanctorum of living-room entertainment. Then theres that third, impending business, which revolves around a gorgeous sliver of palmtop gee-whizzery that you may have heard about: the iPhone. Ten years ago, when Jobs retook the reins at Apple, the suggestion that the company would be where it is today would have seemed a fantasyor a joke. Apple was bleeding cash, bleeding talent, bleeding credibility. Its war with Microsoft had devolved into a self-lacerating pathology. Today the Mac is, albeit slowly, gaining ground on Windows. And the iPod, which in less than six years has sold north of 100 million units, has Microsoft choking on its dust. Mossberg notes this astonishing achievement and inquires of Jobs how many copies of iTunes software are in circulation. At least 300 million, Jobs answers, prompting Mossberg to follow up: Does the scale of this surprise you? Nodding sagely, Jobs responds, The scale of a lot of things were doing surprises me. The Steve Jobs story is one of the classic narrativesmaybe the classic narrativeof American business life. Its structure has been rigorous, traditional, and symmetrical: three acts of ten years each. Act One (19751985) is The Rise, in which Jobs goes into business with his pal, Steve Wozniak; essentially invents the personal-computer industry with the Apple II; takes Apple public, making himself a multimillionaire at age 25; Act Two (19851996) is The Fall: the expulsion from Apple, the wilderness years battling depression and struggling to keep afloat two floundering new businesses, NeXT and Pixar. Act Three (19972007) is The Resurrection: the return to Apple and its restoration, the efflorescence of Pixar and its sale to Disney, the megabillionairehood, the sanctification as god of design and seer of the digital-media future. The consistent thread running through all three acts is Jobss singular persona. His messianism has been present from the start: He always believed, says Wozniak, he was going to be a leader of mankind. Yet the most common descriptor applied to him, by friends and foes and even Jobs himself, is asshole. Given an early glimpse of the Segway high-tech people-mover, he bellowed, I think it sucks, then later called the companys founder, trashed his CEO as a butthead, and said his marketing chief should be selling Kleenex at a discount store in Idaho. Implored by the government to take part in the federal antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft, he snapped at the United States assistant attorney general, Joel Klein, Are you going to do something serious?
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Aviator, Spanglish, Fockers, and Fat Albert 01-02-05 iPod, Cut and Run, English, Ford 500 I don't know about you, but I'm about fed up with all the free -- and ridiculous -- advertising and publicity Apple Computers gets. If they decided to bottle air and sell it, calling it, no doubt, "PowerAir" or "AirMac" or "AirPod," they'd claim that they had invented air. Then all the articles about the new MacAir would treat that claim as if it were true and suddenly start treating other air-packagers as mere imitators, playing "catch-up" with Apple. I remember years ago, when Apple came out with their PowerBook notebook computer. I was at a meeting with an extraordinarily dumb young movie producer who kept going on and on about all the cool things his PowerBook could do. I can care it with me on planes and it runs on batteries!" Finally I got fed up and just showed him my Toshiba laptop. "I can do all those things, and this computer cost me a thousand dollars less than yours." 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