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2007/6/24-28 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:47052 Activity:nil
6/24    Partha alert, you have mentioned this issue before, here an
        Economist has done a study on it (splitting the check):
        http://www.csua.org/u/j09
        \- your capitalizing "Economist" caused problems for my high
           speed parser. i thought you were talking about The Economist.
           Unwinding from that local minima, was very expensive.
           otherwise it didnt say much that wasnt obvious i thought
           [although thanks for posting it]. i think in practice,
           dealing with the check splitting problem relies more on
           social skills rather than econ theory ... the freeriding
           problem is totally obvious in the case of strangers.
           the realistic problem is how to split with friend and
           friends of friends, and how to balance between fairness
           and awkwardness ... like how far does somebody have to
           drift from 1/n split to make special arrangements.
           in general, i think people get off too easily because
           too many people buy into the "being judgemenal is bad ...
           it is intolerant" view.
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June 24, 2007 Social Norms and Economic Behavior Gelf Magazine looks at research on how social norms affect economic behavior, eg how conventions about how to split a restaurant bill change what people order. Money-Grubbing, by Hadley Robinson, Gelf Magazine: What's the best way to split a restaurant bill? Should each diner pony up personal costs, taking into account tip and tax? Or is it better and easier to just split the check evenly? The finding: How you're going to pay directly affects what you order. Research subjects chose the cheapest grub when they were paying individually. When splitting the bill evenly, they ordered pricier items. When paying nothing at all, their consumption went up even further. Gelf caught up recently with Uri Gneezy, one of the three economists who conducted this experiment. In this case, the fact that I consume more has some externality--it has some effect on you based on the additional cost that you have to pay for it. 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Whenever I go somewhere with someone else paying the bill or splitting it with me, I try to choose something similar or that same as what the other people are ordering. If I go with someone splitting the bill evenly, usuallly, but not always, I am with friends who would order something similar. Other times, people generally opt for separate bills, as no one likes to pay for someone buying caviar while everyone else buys salad. However, I have some experience: I worked as an AD for a big advertising firm, at one time, and once a year we were given money by the company and our group would go out to eat. I had no complaint about the fancey restaurant our CD insisted we go to, but usually ordered the cheapest thing on the menu, while some guys would order huge pitchers of beer that would, of course, be added to the finally bill. One year, another AD had the guts to complain, and I did too. Yes, some people will seek any opportunity to get extra advantage at someone else's expense. Sorry, but despite the games to see how people psychologically react, it is RUDE. This article is a good example of the last step in the scientific method, which is, what conclusions should be drawn from the result? In this case, the results make perfect sense, but the conclusions stated in the lead paragraph of the magazine article (and even in the published study itself) are far too broad. The study only made use of groups of 6 complete strangers. Thus the correct lead should be "What's the best way for complete strangers to split a restaurant bill?" Indeed, further down in the interview the author concedes that among people who aren't strangers, his results probably don't hold. a wealth of laboratory evidence has questioned the descriptive validity of the selfish agent assumption.... We find that, in line with the classical model's prediction, subjects consume more when the cost is split, resulting in a substantial loss of efficiency. These findings have implications in the design of institutions. Even when individuals prefer to be in a "different game" (eg, pay the bill individually instead of splitting it), when forced to play according to a less preferred set of rules, they will minimize their individual losses by taking advantage of others. I see nothing in these results not explained perfectly well by the idea of "strong reciprocity" (the idea that individuals hate to be taken advantage of, and will take action to their own immediate detriment to ensure that doesn't happen). rather, they took steps to make sure they themselves were not taken advantage of. In this study, the three choices, in likely order of preference, were: order modest meal, pay fair price. Strong reciprocity means that people will take steps to ensure that outcome doesn't happen. When everybody chooses , everybody pays a fair price and nobody is taken advantage of. Moreover, the day care example appears to contradict the entire premise of the article. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't classical economic theory predict that increasing the cost of showing up late will decrease that behavior? The daycare example also nicely demonstrates a point I made about classical economic theory not being "falsifiable." Our experimenter, faced with the contra-indicated daycare result, simply says, "Aha! What has really happened is that one cost (social disapproval) has been replaced with another cost ($2). The actual cost is now cheaper, so the behavior increases. The open question is does such selfish behavior also exist when the stakes are higher and does one's "conscience" play a bigger role? The negative social pressure on those who consume energy wastefully (think SUV's) is increasing as is the opposition to NIMBY concerns over things like wind farms. 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