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| 2007/6/22-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:47044 Activity:low 72%like:47039 |
6/22 chinese auto makers not so hot
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lzp44 (autoblog.com)
\_ I am a Chinese. The sheer fact that they even have a domestic
automobile, AND the fact that they are trying to sell it outside
China amazes me... If you still think China is a closed market,
go to China sometimes. You may find that even Chinese with
slightest sense of self-respect wouldn't buy a domestic branded
car!
\_ They've had domestic cars for a while. Including the "Chery"
a Daewoo (GM) Matiz rip-off.
http://paultan.org/archives/2006/02/18/chery-qq-crash-test
\_ The "Red Flag" brand has existed for a long while and is very
prestigious.
\_ those doesn't count. key components such as Engine are still
foreign made.
\_ There are a few Chinese brands that are very big in South
America -- low prices and poor emissions standards make them
pretty attractive for buyers who can't afford a big western
prestige brand. -John
\_ Interestingly enough, in China Buick is considered a really hot,
luxurious brand and a status symbol similar to a BMW or Merc in
the States. GM is doing much better in China than in the States,
and I expect them to eventually become a mostly foreign company.
\_ Cadillac in China probably has the same status as Buick.
Maybe it's because Buick and Cadillac used to be luxurious
brands in the US, which are then reflected in China after a
time lag. Or maybe it's just pure marketing.
\_ I kept telling my cousin in Shanghai that Buick is a piece of
shit... LOL
\_ Buick may have the brand recognization which they don't
deserve, but American cars are still lag behind in terms of
sales figure and market share. go figures.
\_ Buicks are status symbols in Japan as well. I think it has
something to do with the car being so big, bloated,
unreliable, and completely unsuited to Japanese road design
that only a really rich asshole who doesn't need to care about
anyone else can/would bother to own/drive one. You can often
find them double-parked on two-lane streets in front of
pachinko parlors.
\_ Jeeps were the 4x4 king in Japan. When I told my
counterparts in Japan that I drive a Jeep Cherokee back
home, they thought "Wow!", while the reason I bought a
Cherokee was that I couldn't afford a Nissan Pathfinder or
a Toyota 4-Runner. |
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| preview.tinyurl.com/2lzp44 -> www.autoblog.com/2007/06/22/brilliance-bs6s-adac-crash-test-is-anything-but/ Brilliance BS6 ADAC crash test Click above image for photo gallery China's Brilliance BS6 is a recent entry into the European market, positioned as a premium-style import sedan at a budget price. Well, after seeing the videos of the car undergoing crash testing using Euro NCAP guidelines at the ADAC (Germany's AAA, essentially) test center, one thing's certain: buyers get what they pay for. The BS6, as currently constructed, appears to a complete piece of crap. The horrifying 40 mph offset frontal crash test video shows damage that can be described as catastrophic at best. The A-pillar collapses and folds up like a cheap suitcase, forcing the driver's door to pop largely out of its frame, while the lower portion of the car buckles like it's made of recycled pop cans. To open the mangled door afterwards, the ADAC techs needed to use a huge crowbar to get it to budge. ADAC notes that the pedals intruded a foot and a half (32 cm) into the driver's space, while the IP moved in almost 8 inches (20 cm). Needless to say, the BS6 failed the test, garnering just 1 star. Follow the jump for more coverage/opinion and the related videos. Brilliance BS6 ADAC Crash test The side-impact video's no picnic, either, as the driver's upper body takes the impact so hard, the injuries sustained would likely prove fatal. For all the crowing about Chinese cars and how they're an inevitability, if this is the kind of safety that they'll bring with them, have fun finding buyers. Back in April, Brilliance's head honcho said that this very model, the BS6, would be imported to the US either later this year or in 2008. After seeing the car's stellar crash performance in Deutschland, we wouldn't be caught dead in one. The good news for Europeans is that this disastrous test result might be enough to halt sales. more spectacular fashion in late 2005 (listen to the ADAC guys crack up after they see the Landwind result in that second link). Until Chinese automakers get very serious about making and exporting cars that meet commonly-accepted occupant protection standards, the idea of them having any impact whatsoever in the safety-conscious United States market is laughable. The videos are embedded below, and make sure you check out the stills in the gallery, too. I live in China for over a year and can tell you that they have a complete disregard for the value of human life there. Besides that I think this must be one of the ways they are trying to control their population. Jun 22nd 2007 1:15PM "Reuben" - see my misplaced reply to you #15. "1337" - South Korea is a small country equal in size to a small province of China. S Korea has fewer natural resources and, has a very unfriendly neighbor to its north. South Korea hardly factors at all in the Asian Pacific equation. The Communist government in China took a very capitalistic initiative to fuel their economy. If they let capitalism work for them, the Chinese Communist government will eventually dominate Asian democracies. "Famous Chinese quality" - you obviously have little historical perspective. "history" encompasses a period of time greater than one's personal lifetime. Jun 22nd 2007 4:14PM South Korea's political conflicts and the size of their population are rather irrelevant to Hyundai USA. Remember, the United States, Germany, Sweden, the UK, and Japan are all relatively small countries when compared with China, but all of them have made greater contributions to the automotive industry than China has. Hyundai/Kia are advancing rapidly, and their products are nipping at the heels of the Japanese in America. Jun 22nd 2007 9:22AM Laugh at China's designs now, but remember where post WWII Japan was and how far Japan advanced in less than fifty years. China is a 100 times larger than Japan with vast natural resources and a very eager to work non-union labor pool. Jun 22nd 2007 12:30PM Keep in mind that, after WWII, we pretty much forced democracy and a capitalism-friendly economic system onto Japan. China has neither (although they're getting a little better at the later). This makes a difference, even when it comes to something as trivial as making cars. Jun 22nd 2007 12:31PM There is a difference in culture, however. Japan is about achieving perfection through research and development and paying attention to details. China is about quickly making POS, selling it, grabbing money and running away while original product deteriorates before buyer's eyes. Chinese business culture is about making a single sell and looking for another idiot to buy a knock-off. For that reason they will not match Japan in quality (I'd say ever); Jun 22nd 2007 2:53PM Please don't compare Chinese cars to Korean ones on safety. Koreans now lead the market in safety getting 5 star crash rating on almost ALL their models. Both the Santa fe and Entourage/Sedona were given 'Top safety Picks' and Gold ratings by both NAFTA and IIHS. Hyundai has the highest standard ESC on its lineup than any non-luxury other manufacturer. Jun 22nd 2007 6:48PM > South Korea is a small country equal in size to a small province of China. S Korea has fewer natural resources and, has a very unfriendly neighbor to its north. South Korea hardly factors at all in the Asian Pacific equation. Yes, 1/40th of Chinese population, 1/3rd of 2006 Chinese GDP. Chinese have a notoriety for being inefficient throughout history. For example, Chinese army had to outnumber their foreign enemy army 10:1 to assure a victory. Fall below this ratio and the Chinese army could lose the battle, such were the case in Tang Vs Korea battle of 675(200,000 Chinese cavalry wiped out by 30,000 Korean infantry), Mongol invasion of China(100K Mongol cavalry defeated China's million-man army and conquered China), Manchu invasion of China(150K Manchu army once again defeated China's million-man army and conquered China), Japanese invasion of China(100K Japanese army ran over China and the combined force of Koumintang and Communist party could not defeat). In modern example, it takes Chery 20,000 Chinese workers to assemble 350,000 cars a year whereas Hyundai's Alabama plant has 2,500 workers assembling 300,000 cars a year. Both suck compared to Kia's Korean plant building Picanto, 900 workers assembling 160,000 cars a year. Jun 22nd 2007 10:27AM Edsel, What a wonderfully racist sentiment. While the Chinese and Japanese may look the same to you you should stop your comparison there. Japan's Post war reformation has nothing to do with China's massive communist economy. Next 20 Comments Add your comments Please keep your comments relevant to this blog entry. Email addresses are never displayed, but they are required to confirm your comments. When you enter your name and email address, you'll be sent a link to confirm your comment, and a password. To create a live link, simply type the URL (including http://) or email address and we will make it a live link for you. Line breaks and paragraphs are automatically converted -- no need to use <p> or <br> tags. |
| paultan.org/archives/2006/02/18/chery-qq-crash-test -> paultan.org/archives/2006/02/18/chery-qq-crash-test/ Chery I posted on China's various imitations of western and Japanese cars a long long time ago. One of the most blatant copies have been the Chevrolet Spark/Daewoo Matiz's copy. It's pretty hilarious really how they managed to transform Chevrolet's pet name Chevy into Chery. The Chevrolet Spark is on sale here in Malaysia with an 800cc engine if I am not mistaken. But do the imitations perform the same as the originals? Do Petaling Street Rolex watches last as long as the original? It depends on your luck really, but thankfully in the automotive world we have something called crasjh tests so we can at least measure a car's safety performance. Here is the original Daewoo Matiz/Chevrolet Spark's crash test, along with a chart displaying areas where the driver and passanger gets the most injuries. Nevertheless I wouldn't want to call shotgun when riding in that car. Lets just hope that the speculated partnership between Proton and JinHua will not contribute to developments of cars like the Chery above. cbljkkj, try take a look again, this time look very, very carefully... what tells u that passengers in Chery "sustained less injuries" than the passenger in the Daewoo Matiz/Chevrolet Spark? Would you still not want to ride in one if the other alternatives are taking a bus or walking in the rain? I don't think so and that's why there are so many Kancils on the road. Often in life, we don't always get what we wanted, like Rolls Royce and Angelina Jolie. From that itself, we can't conclude that the passenger's side would be safe enough to sit in right? The yellow/brown mamak stall-like thingy in the 2nd last pic. But anyway, i'd still think that this car's a teeny weeny bit tougher than our kancil. It did not specifically mentioned it is safe or no injury for the spark passenger. As for the mamak stall-like thing , pls lah , this is the NCAP test we are talking here. Not some back alley garage owned by ah meng or ahmad lah. It's just an expression to show which part of the picture im refering to, coz of the painting. Of coz i know its not a back door garage or what ever u were thinking... What i would be interested is that what IF the test was taken with a direct head-on impact, that i believe would make difference to the entire injury- analysis graph' (dunno what's it called). this test is preformed in Russia according to NCAP stardand. the QQ has the version with DUAL AIR BAGS, if QQ in the test is DUAL AIR BAG version, the result will be much better. id1 =1&id2=65 Which states that on frontal impact: " the driver still contacted the steering wheel with his chest which lost marks. Hard structures under the facia were hazardous to the driver's knees, and the brake pedal was hazardous to the feet." QXTX, which looks like some kind of Chery QQ fan club website has posted a different set of Chery QQ crash test result photos on their site last year. In these new crash test photos, the damage does not look bad at all, but even through Babelfish Chinese to English translation I could not really determine to which crash testing standards was used as guidelines for the crash test. You can see that the last photo was shot intentionally to show that all four doors of the Chery QQ could be opened after the crash. For older photos showing much worse results, click here. UK magazine AutoExpress carried photos of the Chery QQ crash test results yesterday. Clearly European consumers are a little worried about the influx of Chinese cars into their market soon in the future, for example the new Nanjing-assembled MG Rover cars, the JiangLing Landwind, and the Geely Beauty Leopard. There are also accusations that the Chery QQ is a rip-off of the Chevy Spark, and there was a lawsuit but it was settled out of court and since dropped. The car was bought anonymously in one of Chery dealerships. The red car above is Daewoo Matiz built in Uzbekistan (rather popular car in Russia), and tested earlier in the same laboratory. It was not equipped with airbags (all Uzbek Matizs are not equipped with them). next post: Perodua Myvi Rear Axle Snapped Join other car enthusiasts in discussion on the latest updates in the local and international automotive industry at the forums. Note that first time commenters will have to be approved before your comment appears. Please do not submit your comment twice, the system has accepted your comment, it just needs to be moderated first. Once your first comment is approved, all subsequent comments will show automatically. |