6/19    // Motd summary on the age of consent
        boolean legal(float age1, float age2) {
          assert(age1 >= 10 && age2 >= 10 && age1 >= age2);
          if (age1 >= 21 && age2 >= 21) return true;
          float range = (age2 / 5);
          if (age1 <= age2 + range) return true;
          return false;
        }
        \_ Your assert is stupid.
        \_ deltaAllowed x y = (min x y) / 5
           legal x y = if  ((x <10) || (y <10)) then False
                       else if ((x >= 21) && (y >= 21)) then True
                       else if (deltaAllowed x y) < abs (x - y) then False
                       else True
        \_ legal x y | ((x < minAge) || (y < minAge)) = False
                     | ((x >= adult) && (y >= adult)) = True
                     | deltaAllowed < abs (x - y) = False
                     | otherwise = True
                     where deltaAllowed = (min x y) / 5
                           minAge = 10
                           adult = 21
        \_ The real summary: One person wants legal and social acceptance to
           have sex with children as an adult.  Everyone else thinks having
           sex with children is wrong and should be punished in various
           permanent and painful ways.
           \_ I never said anything about social acceptance. I also don't
              consider 16 year olds children. "Everyone else" apparently
              doesn't agree with you if you look at the most common laws.
              \_ Oh yeah?  Then why were you so upset when I said it made me
                 ill?  It is wrong for an adult to have sex with a child.
                 Your hypothetical experienced 16 year old is what healthy
                 adults would call a "victim".  16 year olds should not have
                 that much experience, if they do something has gone very
                 wrong in their lives.  An adult should not be taking
                 advantage of any child and doubly so a troubled child.  Please
                 seek psychological help before you need legal help and you
                 leave some child in need of psychological help.
                 \_ I was using the experience thing as a counterexample. My
                    point does not depend on the 16 year old being experienced.
                    My point is pretty simple and has nothing to do with me
                    (I'm much more attracted to 20-somethings.)
                       1. 16 year olds do have sex, regardless of how ill it
                          makes you. If they want to, they want to. Sexual/
                          biological maturity comes before age 18 for the
                          vast majority of people.
                          \_ But not the non-biological maturity required to
                             deal with it in today's society.  Some girls are
                             hitting puberty having periods as young and 9 and
                             10 now.  That doesn't make them "a-ok" for sex.
                             \_ Deal with it? They do have it. That's the
                                point. The issue is why it's so harmful if
                                the partner is over a certain age. Do I think
                                a 16 year old is truly "mature"? No, neither is
                                an 18 year old for that matter. But you can't
                                ignore biology completely. A 16 year old is
                                mature by historical standards. They will
                                learn things all their life. They are mature
                                enough for sex if they feel they are though.
                                I'm not sure why you think sex is so evil.
                                Maybe you have psychological damage from
                                an overly strict upbringing.
                                There is a contradiction in exempting people
                                when the age difference is < x. Either it's
                                ok or it isn't. The 18 screwing the 17 is
                                a pedophile or not the same as the 22 or 26
                                and the 17, or whatever. 16 is an arbitrary
                                choice midway between biological maturity
                                and legal maturity.
                                \_ "Mature by historical standards" is not a
                                   reasonable argument. By "historical
                                   standards," your five year-olds should be
                                   at work in factories, not in school. You
                                   asked for reasonable arguments, but you
                                   continue to ignore reasonable points. Face
                                   it, man, you just want to have sex with
                                   16 year-olds, and no reasonable argument is
                                   going to convince you.
                                   \_ You're ignoring my arguments and
                                      attacking that one statement. Forget that
                                      one then, it would take too long to
                                      pedantically rephrase it in a way that
                                      would avoid this kind of attack. Please
                                      explain how it's unreasonable when most
                                      of the world agrees with me.
                                      \_ Second fallacy: I'm right because
                                         most of the world agrees with me.
                                         Closely tied to sub-fallacy: Most of
                                         the world agrees with me.
                                        \_ You were the one claiming that all
                                           "reasonable" and "healthy" people
                                           agree with you and that I'd get
                                           thrown in jail. Are you the only
                                           reasonable one? There's no point
                                           arguing about what is reasonable.
                                           \_ You're talking with more than
                                              one person.  Anyway, what is
                                              wrong with it is that society
                                              has deemed 16 years old too
                                              young for sex with older men.
                                              If you don't like that you can
                                              a) deal with it, b) move to
                                              Thailand, or c) try to get the
                                              laws changed under the banner
                                              of the Child Rapist Party.  I
                                              don't hold out much hope for
                                              your option c), though.  Good
                                              luck with that and the therapy
                                              sessions.
                                              \_ You do realize that 16 is
                                                 fully legal in most of the
                                                 US already? So "society"
                                                 hasn't deemed any such thing,
                                                 only individual states?
                       2. Sex is not inherently harmful. Sex/love is a basic
                          human drive and doesn't cause psychological harm.
                          Rape etc. might. But sex != rape. Everyone is an
                          innocent virgin once. I would find a 40-something
                          with a teenager weird... but it's already legal
                          for 40+ to bang an 18 year old and that's also
                          weird. What's the actual harm?
                          \_ Sex is not love.  Love is not sex.  Once you
                             understand that the rest becomes clear.
                             \_ Why do you think I don't?
                                \_ from reading the rest of your pedantic
                                   ranting about why you think it is ok to
                                   have sex with children.  seek help.
                       3. Age difference alone isn't harmful and shouldn't
                          be criminalized above age 16.
                          \_ Why 16?  Why not 10?  Why not birth?  Age is the
                             only way society has to determine a general rule
                             that can be applied as law.
                       4. 16 year olds are legal anyway in tons of places so
                          I wouldn't need any legal help.

                          \_ Good luck in that Thai prison.  You still need
                             serious psychological help even if this whole
                             thing has been a multi-day troll.
                            \_ Explain this please:
                             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AOCWorldMap.png
                             http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
                               The US avg. is 16. Many countries allow even
                               lower and leave it to the court to decide if
                               there was something unreasonable going on.
                               \_ many countries are fucked up in lots of ways
                                  we should not seek to emulate.  "other
                                  countries are primitive fuck ups who let
                                  their children be raped so we should too!"
                                  is not a reasonable point.
                       \_ Dear Sir, I would like to help you. What is your
                          name and address, please?
        \_ I was hoping the law were more lenient.  My sister is five years
           younger than me, and now I have to wait till she reaches 21.