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| 2007/5/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:46727 Activity:high 77%like:46720 |
5/22 We're in trouble:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=329
The full report shows how many registered Republicans think Al Qaeda
is just fine.
\_ Go Bush Go!
\_ ???
\_ Is that a cheer or a command?
\_ http://www.csua.org/u/ir1
ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!
\_ I find both of these responses bizarre, as well as the altering
of the text of the op. A poll that shows that 5% of American
muslims think Al Qaeda is A-OK, and 27% decline to answer isn't
troubling? Or is worth belittling? And this was a PEW research
poll, not Fox News. -emarkp
\_ 5% is essentially zero in a poll like that.
\_ Did you miss the 27% decline to state? That suggests it's
higher than 5%. Furthermore, native-born muslims are more
likely to support AQ, with black native-born muslims the
most likely. -emarkp
\_ On what data are you basing the assumption that
"decline to state" == support?
\_ Why would you decline to state that you're opposed to
Al Qaeda? Part of it may be the "never criticise a
muslim" but what would Mohammad Atta have said?
-emarkp
\_ I dunno, if I was part of a feared and hated
minority and some pollster called me up in the
middle of the night to interrogate me about
Al Qaido, I might not answer either. Just
a guess, but I don't think "decline to state"
can be assumed to be support.
\_ How often do pollsters call you in the middle
of the night?
\_ The overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the
United States in the last thirty years have been by
Christian terrorist groups. You are worried about the
wrong group of extremists. But you probably think that
abortion bombings, like running over cylists, is appropriate.
\_ Hi anonymous troll! You're wrong about me (I've never
thought abortion bombings or killing abortion doctors was
appropriate, and I have only thought "running over cyclists"
is appropriate when they're surrounding and/or assaulting
\_ So wait, you'd run over an otherwise peaceful
group of bikers for simply surrounding your car?
I'm not so sure I'd even run over bikers for
assaulting my car! There's a large asymmetry
in power if I'm in a car and they're on bikes!
Do you think it's appropriate to kick babies who
are trying to bite your ankles? Bikers who
assault your car are assaulting your car.
Assaulting a biker *with* your car is to risk
causing bodily injury to the biker. Is
a possible increase in your car insurance and
$500 in deductable a justifiable cause for
injuring someone? I would NOT want that on
my conscience. Further, I'm an athiest--
I'm surprised your Mormon conscience allows you
to calculate the moral problem the way you do!
^ see below, he
doesn't just mean
"surrounding" alone.
your vehicle). And I think you're insane to think we face
the same risk today from "Christian terrorist groups" as we
do from Al Qaeda. -emarkp
\_ I recently was at a planned parenthood clinic.
Considering the amount of security they had there I
suspect that the people who work there take Christian
terrorist groups very seriously indeed.
Considering the amount of security they had I suspect
that the people who work there take Christian terrorist
groups very seriously indeed.
\_ So wait, you'd run over an otherwise peaceful
group of bikers for simply surrounding your car?
\_ No. -emarkp
\_ But if you happen to be behind a group of them
that isn't doing anything at all do you other
than making you go slower than you want to,
it's OK to run into them intentionally. Or
so emarkp says. -tom
\_ Nope. If they're agressively stopping traffic,
and a driver is in fear of assault, then they
should expect to be hit. Babble your nonsense
if you must tom, but don't put words in my
mouth. -emarkp
\_ you endorsed the videotaped actions of a
driver who was not in any danger of assault.
Or at least, wasn't in any danger until
he intentionally ran into a bicyclist. -tom
\_ That was your read of the video. I
disagreed with your interpretation.
-emarkp
\_ LA LA LA LA LA! THEY WELCOMED US AS
LIBERATORS! THEY GAVE US THE UNIVERSAL
SIGN OF APPROVAL, THE THUMBS-UP!
THE GOLDEN TABLETS DISAPPEARED! LA
LA LA LA LA LA!
\_ Okay, you think I am insane, I can live with that. If
you take out the WTC 9/11 fatalities, which was a one
time lucky strike, imo, more people have been actually
killed in this country by Christian terrorists than
by Al Qaeda. And the number killed by both is so
small as to be insignificant. We should focus our
time, money and attention on real threats, not bogeymen
invented by politicians to scare us into giving them
our hard earned tax dollars.
\_ If you saw a poll with the same numbers of Christians
approving of terrorist groups, would you be concerned?
Oh, and speaking of 9/11 did you note the low numbers
of muslims believing that 9/11 was committed by
muslims? -emarkp
\_ What percent of Christians approve of abortion
clinic bombings? I am sure it is more than 5%.
Yes, I did see the 9/11 numbers and that was
more disturbing to me than the ones that concern
you.
\_ You have a poll to back that up or are you just
pulling those numbers out of the air?
Considering the juvenile understanding of
religion on motd, I'm not surprised at your
belief. -emarkp
_/
Googling finds me:
""All of the 1985 surveys show condemnation of
abortion clinic bombings. In the Harris poll,
81 percent think that such bombings amount
to terrorism; 83 percent say that such violence
"is not the American way"; and 71 percent
say the attacks "are probably being conducted
by fanatics"; 56 percent do not believe
that the damage to abortion clinics "is
minor compared with the fetuses whose lives
are taken in abortion clinics."
Eighty-two percent in the CBS News-
thing as terrorism." Only 14 percent believe
that "there are a lot of other crimes that are
just as serious," and just five percent think
that the bombings "should be treated as a
forceful kind of political protest" if no one is
killed or injured.
Eighty-eight percent in the ABC News
poll think the clinic attacks are "criminal
acts"; only 12 percent classlfy them as "civil
disobedience."
In the Gallup survey, 95 percent feel that
bombing clinics hurts the antiabortion cause;
91 percent believe the same about "destroying
files and causing other nonviolent disruptions
at abortion clinics"; but only 54percent
feel the same way about "personally confronting
and lecturing pregnant women entering
abortion clinics" (19 percent, however, have no opinion)."
(Source: Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 17, No. 2.
""All of the 1985 surveys show condemnation of abortion clinic
bombings. In the Harris poll, 81 percent think that such bombings
amount to terrorism; 83 percent say that such violence "is not the
American way"; and 71 percent say the attacks "are probably being
conducted by fanatics"; 56 percent do not believe that the damage to
abortion clinics "is minor compared with the fetuses whose lives are
taken in abortion clinics." Eighty-two percent in the CBS News- thing
as terrorism." Only 14 percent believe that "there are a lot of other
crimes that are just as serious," and just five percent think that the
bombings "should be treated as a forceful kind of political protest" if
no one is killed or injured.
Eighty-eight percent in the ABC News poll think the clinic attacks are
"criminal acts"; only 12 percent classlfy them as "civil disobedience."
In the Gallup survey, 95 percent feel that bombing clinics hurts the
antiabortion cause; 91 percent believe the same about "destroying files
and causing other nonviolent disruptions at abortion clinics"; but only
54percent feel the same way about "personally confronting and lecturing
pregnant women entering abortion clinics" (19 percent, however, have no
opinion)." (Source: Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 17, No. 2.
(Mar. - Apr., 1985), pp. 76-78.)"
So it actually looks like 12-15 percent support abortion clinic
So it actually looks like 5-15 percent support abortion clinic
bombings, or at least do not consider them "terrorism" and another
19 percent have no opinion. You are worried about the wrong extremists
if you are really concerned about making America safer and not just
pushing a misguided GWoT agenda.
\_ Oh, a poll from 20 years ago. Well, that settles it. -emarkp
\_ Do you have more recent information? The ball is in your
court here to prove that American opinions have significantly
changed since then. And that was more than one poll, it
was at least three.
\_ No, sorry. We discussed this back in the 80's, and hashed it
out. It's your job to show the danger in the here and now.
Go back to your cage. -emarkp |
| 5/23 |
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| people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=329 Download the complete report The first-ever, nationwide, random sample survey of Muslim Americans finds them to be largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world. Figure The Pew Research Center conducted more than 55,000 interviews to obtain a national sample of 1,050 Muslims living in the United States. Interviews were conducted in English, Arabic, Farsi and Urdu. The resulting study, which draws on Pew's survey research among Muslims around the world, finds that Muslim Americans are a highly diverse population, one largely composed of immigrants. Nonetheless, they are decidedly American in their outlook, values and attitudes. This belief is reflected in Muslim American income and education levels, which generally mirror those of the public. Key findings include: * Overall, Muslim Americans have a generally positive view of the larger society. Most say their communities are excellent or good places to live. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the US can make it if they are willing to work hard. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the US should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society. A relatively large proportion of Muslim immigrants are from Arab countries, but many also come from Pakistan and other South Asian countries. Among native-born Muslims, roughly half are African American (20% of US Muslims overall), many of whom are converts to Islam. Figure * Based on data from this survey, along with available Census Bureau data on immigrants' nativity and nationality, the Pew Research Center estimates the total population of Muslims in the United States at 235 million. However, there is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the US Muslim public than others. Fewer native-born African American Muslims than others completely condemn al Qaeda. In addition, younger Muslims in the US are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified. Nonetheless, absolute levels of support for Islamic extremism among Muslim Americans are quite low, especially when compared with Muslims around the world. Most also believe that the government "singles out" Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks. |
| www.csua.org/u/ir1 -> news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070523/ap_on_re_us/falwell_funeral_arrest_3;_ylt=AmHLKi0ToEfPpusSf55X8zsL1vAI Click Here Mark David Uhl, 19, was arrested Monday night on charges of manufacturing an explosive device, Major Steve Hutcherson said. Officials were still trying to figure out why Uhl made the bombs and what he intended to do with them. "I do not believe it was their intent to disrupt the funeral service," Campbell County Sheriff Terry Gaddy said. "We do not believe the Falwells were ever in any danger." The funeral proceeded Tuesday at Thomas Road Baptist Church without incident. The church on the campus of the university, which Falwell founded. Gaddy described the five bombs as "sort of like napalm" and about the size of soda cans. Investigators determined that Uhl had problems with a group that protested at the funeral, Gaddy said. The group, the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church, sent about a dozen members who claimed Falwell was a friend of gays to protest across the street. The group also has picketed soldiers' burials, claiming the deaths are God's punishment for a nation that harbors gays. Falwell frequently spoke against homosexuality, and gay rights advocates have consistently opposed him. A group of Liberty University students staged a counterprotest; Jesse Benson, 19, of Zanesville, Ohio, said that he roomed with Uhl this year and that both shared the view that the Westboro group is a "sorry, disgraceful bunch of people," but that he was certain Uhl would never have done anything to harm them. "He had a very, very deep respect for Jerry Falwell, as do I," Benson said in a telephone interview. "Jerry Falwell would not have approved him harming anybody for any reason. Out of respect for Jerry Falwell, he never would have done anything." It wasn't known whether Uhl knew the group planned to go to the campus, but it had listed the funeral as an upcoming event published on its Web site. Benson said Uhl was in Liberty's Army ROTC program and was studying to become an Army chaplain. Gaddy investigators in Fauquier County were interviewing several people who had been in an ROTC program with Uhl, of Amissville, in high school and may have been involved in making the bombs. Gaddy said Campbell County authorities informed the Falwell family and Liberty security personnel of the arrest Monday night, and gave security personnel photos of other possible suspects in case any of them showed up at the funeral. Uhl was being held without bond in the Campbell County Adult Detention Center. Messages seeking comment were left at numbers believed to belong to the Uhl family but were not returned. This photo provided by the Campbell County Sheriffs Office shows Mark D Uhl, 19. Uhl, a Liberty University freshman from Northern Virginia, was arrested Monday, May 21, 2007, when Campbell County Sheriffs deputies discovered five incendiary devices in the trunk of his car. There were indications that there were others involved in the manufacturing of these devices and the investigation continues with the assistance of ATF, Virginia State Police and FBI. Teen found with bombs before Falwell funeral A Liberty University student was arrested after homemade explosive devices were found in the trunk of his car. Police say he was planning to attend the funeral of the Rev. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. |