5/22    I'm thinking about getting a PDA phone, specifically the Treo. Is
        there any reason to get the Treo with Windows (700wx) over the Palm
        version (700p)?
        \_ Windows Mobile sucks ass.  inconsistent UI, crashy... just shit.
           though running java apps on palmOS is a pain. --scotsman
        \_ I have the Treo 650p, and I'm immensely happy with it and the OS.
           Have heard horror stories of crashes, lack of connectivity with
           the 700w.
           \_ I'm also a happy 650 PalmOS owner, dreaming of an upgrade to
              680. But if I personally were looking for a Windows based phone
              I'd go with many of the other models that are faster and have
              bigger keyboards and screens.  Oh, and also built-in wifi.
           \_ I've had my Treo 650 (Palm) from the day it came out and I am
              very happy w/ it. The phone rarely crashes (common problem w/
              Win version) and gets fairly good reception. There are hacks
              that allow you to use a SDHC card w/ the 650 which is really
              nice.
              The three things that would make the Treo 650 perfect are (1)
              sd based wifi support; (2) usb 2.0 support; and (3) iTunes
              support/sync (which you can do manually w/ rsync).
              I am seriously considering getting an iPhone b/c I think that
              it will be even better than the Treo.
              \_ I am not yet convinced re: Job's idea that mini-keyboards
                 are bad.  I do a fair amount of typing on my treo and until
                 I get to try out the typing on the iPhone's screen, I will
                 stick with the treo.  And whether or not third party apps
                 are allowed is still up in the air, no?
                 \_ I'm a kool-aid-drinking Mac-a-holic, and when the iPhone
                    was announced, I would have murdered for one. Now, though,
                    prohibition of 3rd party apps is pretty much a deal-killer
                    for me. I'll stick with my Treo 650 until Apple decides to
                    let people develop their own iPhone widgets. -!pp
        \_ Have a Treo 680, and its pretty damn good.
        \_ I'm surprised to see people saying things like the "phone rarely
           crashes" and being happy with that.  Phones should never 'crash'.
           \_ Yes, phones should never crash.  But as it is now, smartphones/
              PDA phones do crash, and I haven't heard of one that *never*
              crashes.  Does that mean I want to wait until all bugs are
              worked out?  My Chatter Email client on my 650 says no.  Will
              that make the vendors think consumers are complacent and not
              work on the problems?  Probably to a degree.  But as people
              start choosing more reliable phones, hopefully manufacturers
              will work on this area more.  In a different light, phones
              shouldn't drop conversations either.  Do you have a wireless
              phone?