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2007/5/20-22 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46709 Activity:moderate 72%like:46685
5/18    Freepers, um, "respond" to immigration plan
        http://urltea.com/l9i (wonkette.com)
        \_ Is this the move that will drop his approval ratings to sub-Nixon
           numbers?
           \_ You're not thinking far enough ahead.  All but one of the
              2008 R candidates has come out against this bill.  This will
              fire up the base and enable them to rant and rave about how
              THEY wouldn't have sold the country down the river for them
              damn Mexicans if THEY had been President.  This is a parting
              gift from Dubya for em.
              \_ Ezra Klein has a good take
                 http://csua.org/u/iq0 (prospect.org)
           \_ It's still above congress' approval.  However, "the base" that
              will leave Bush has already done so.  I can't imagine it'd go
              lower.
              \_ With a slip of 6% in rasmussen's daily poll, i expect to
                 see 25% in other polls by the end of the month. 22% by
                 july 4?
        \_ There are no Freepers on the motd.  We used to have one and then we
           had several fakes and now we fortunately have none.
           \_ No, I think we had two. But yeah, they rarely post anymore.
              \_ $freeper++.  I stand corrected.  :-)
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