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5/11 Massholes attack another minivan driver, this time a guy whose
wife is disabled:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5299419
\_ What is it with minivan drivers trying to murder innocent bike
riders just doing their thing, having some fun, obeying the law
and teaching us all about how to treat one another better?
\_ which shows exactly why Jason Meggs videotapes everything;
this time there's video evidence of the van driver's assault
with a deadly weapon. -tom
\_ Ah yes, the edited video. And of course more injuries that the
wounded didn't stick around to report. They learn well from
Palestinians.
\_ Did someone pose a brand new teddy bear on the wreckage of
a bike? *That* would be cool.
\_ Yeah, nice editing there. Even with the editing it looks like
the critical mass guys started it.
\_ Started what? The video shows a van with an intact windshield
intentionally running over a bicyclist. -tom
\_ One Less Bike
\_ Umm, it looks more like a bunch of bicyclists standing
around a minivan that is slowly inching forward. The guys
"getting run over" don't look like they've been moving for
a while.
\_ And you think it's appropriate to run someone over just
because he's standing in front of your car? -tom
\_ If someone is blocking your way while others pound on
your windshield, I don't think any jury would convict
them for moving forward. -emarkp
\_ You didn't answer the question; do you think it's
appropriate to run someone over because they're
blocking you way? (For probably 30 seconds;
Berkeley Critical Mass is small, 50-100 riders).
Critical Mass doesn't pound on every car's
windshield; it pounds on the windshields of
drivers who try to run them over. -tom
\_ Frankly, I don't believe this claim. In both
incidents people claimed to be injured but left
the scene. And if people are attacking your
vehicle, then yes I belive it's appropriate to
run over people to get out of the crowd.
-emarkp
\_ Once again: the crowd didn't attack some
random vehicle on the street, it attacked
someone WHO TRIED TO RUN THEM OVER. So
by your logic it must be appropriate to
retaliate. And I don't see how you can
watch that video and doubt the plausibility
of injuries. -tom
\_ And once again I doni't believe that
\_ And once again I don't believe that
claim. -emarkp
\_ Ah, the all-powerful Argument From
Personal Incredulity. -tom
\_ Hello Mr. Pot, glad to meet you.
\_ Oh, the cops disagree with you
after talking with witnesses.
-emarkp
\_ You definitely should
ignore the video evidence
presented above. It might
shatter your world view.
\_ Hi troll! I watched the
video. It clearly shows the
cyclists trying to hem the
van in, and the van is trying
to get away. The driver
should have floored it,
flattening anyone in the way.
-emarkp
\_ Wow, I can't believe
this is coming out from
a Mormon. I thought
they're usually well
mannered and non-violent
\_ I tend to be pro-self-
defense. -emarkp
defense. I have killed
a man with a screw-
driver. -emarkp
\_ Tom, that video doesn't show anyone
getting injured. It shows three seconds
of two bicyclists leaning off their
bicycles while the van moves 1". Since
what happens before and after as been
helpfully edited out, there's no evidence
of anything. From that video you could
make the claim that the bicyclists mocked
up the whole thing. -jrleek
\_ uh, it ran straight over a bike that
had someone on it.
\_ How did the van end up with its wheels
on top of two bicycles, if it only
moved 1" like you claim? You can
actually see the van pushing over the
bike if you look carefully. That is
a hell of a lot more than 1 inch.
\_ The police disagreed with the claims
of the CM folks after interviewing
witnesses.
"police said, adding that two
witnesses told them that three
riders threw their bicycles in front
of the minivan to block its path"
So the CM folks are simply lying.
-emarkp
\_ Which part is not in the video.
Throwing the bikes under the van
would account for it.
\_ They threw their bike under
the tires? What did they do,
lift up the van? Wow, those
bicyclist riders sure are strong.
\_ No you idiot. They put their
bikes in front of the van to
keep it from leaving. The van
started running over the bikes
to leave. And should have
kept going. -emarkp
\_ Wow, idiot huh? Well look
at 1:52, 2:18, 2:56 and
3:05 at this point in the
video and tell me that
the car wheels are not
clearly on top of a bike:
http://www.csua.org/u/ip3 |
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| abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5299419 com Go Go Go Berkeley Critical Mass Riders Clash With Motorist Elderly Couple Tangles With Cyclists KGO Noel Cisneros May 12 - KGO - The outspoken bicycling group that holds a monthly event called Critical Mass has had another run-in with a driver, this time in Berkeley, where an elderly couple tangled with angry cyclists. It happened in front of a firestation where the firefighters were so worried they had to call the police. Even on a good day, navigating the intersection of Alameda and Monterey in North Berkeley is challenging. On Friday night a couple came through the intersection at the same time as dozens of Berkeley's Critical Mass riders. Jason Meggs, Critical Mass Rider: "He keeps driving and then he drives some more and he drives some more." Bicycle advocate Jason Meggs shot video tape and provided an edited version to ABC7. Jason Meggs, Critical Mass Rider: "There was one bike that got trapped. Another person came to help get her out of the way and his bike got trapped. Mary Kusmiss says independent witnesses told police the driver was trying to escape an angry crowd. Mary Kusmiss, Berkeley Police: "What we understand is that the crowd had surrounded the minivan. There were some participants of Critical Mass who were pounding on the van and shaking the van enough for it to be moving and reaching into the van and trying to get the keys out of the ignition." You can see from the tape that the 77-year-old driver is moving forward slowly while a bike rider appears to be snagged beneath the advancing fender. Gabe Schnake-Mahl, Witness: "I started hearing a bunch of noises and I realized that it was someone kind of on the hood of the van breaking the windshield. No one was arrested and there have been no fines in conjunction with what happened here but Berkeley Police say if they can find out who broke the van's windshield they will prosecute. Jason Meggs, Critical Mass Rider: "They're considering complaints against individual police officers." Jason Meggs says the riders are considering suits against the driver and the city. Meggs has sued Berkeley four times in the past, and lost. Last March in San Francisco, Critical Mass made headlines after a driver allegedly knocked down a cyclist. A mother and her five children had the back window of their minivan smashed out by the group of bikers after, they say, she tried to drive away. |
| www.csua.org/u/ip3 -> www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoUF1JrS98&mode=related&search= WheelsOfChange (13 hours ago) marked as spam Ah, untrue, memewhile. You can go to the bclu website and see links to media coverage as it comes in, by the way. We do object to misreporting, lies, discriminatory language, false accusatins, and threats, which have been the primary comments here. BlazeAqua (13 hours ago) marked as spam ' "PS In what are they handicapped?" the fact remains that, they're a handicapped elderly couple. Not exactly the fighting type, and that's exactly the type these activists seek to propagate media stunts for their cause. DN64 (14 hours ago) marked as spam (continued from last comment) WOC, if you are missing parts to the video then too bad so sad your dad, they can be questioned, they can be assumed, they can be disagreed upon because nobody has to believe your side unless you can prove otherwise and that's the bottom line. The more you alienate people like myself, the more you look like the guilty party, even if, as I said, I agree with your cause. DN64 (14 hours ago) marked as spam WOC, I didn't post any death threat to you or anyone else. I commented on the video you DID have and also made a "guess" as to what happened before the video started. In fact, I started off by agreeing with your cause but disagreeing with your methods. If you are going to post your "controversial" video in a public forum on YouTube then expect certain things, be it positive or negative. aussiekwv (14 hours ago) marked as spam PS Clap at last we agree on something Aqua, that The Media Cherrypick and no I didn't say it was okay for The Media to cherrypick. aussiekwv (14 hours ago) marked as spam "PS In what are they handicapped?" But it seems you love The Media Aqua and at least you didn't you abuse as your answers? Memewhile (15 hours ago) marked as spam aussie: Search above for "Many of the worst tyrants and mass murderers of history were his age." Second, to get the link to work, replace the dashes with dots. BlazeAqua (15 hours ago) marked as spam "PS In what are they handicapped?" There has to be a physical mobility problem in order to get those permits in California. Its not like one can hit up eBay and get those placards for themselves. PRESS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 12, 2007 ROAD RAGE AT BERKELEY CRITICAL MASS Police Again Fail to Protect Bicyclists' Rights VIDEO FOOTAGE AND QUALITY AUDIO AVAILABLE Last night just after 8 PM, as dusk approached, a motorist with his wife deliberately ran into the side of the monthly Berkeley Critical Mass bicycle demonstration as they peacefully paraded through town spreading their monthly message about climate change, promoting bicycling and reducing automobile and oil dependency. Three bicycles were destroyed and two demonstrators were injured and bleeding, although they refused medical treatment at the scene. Bicyclists managed to stop the attack when one was able to reach into the van's window and turn off the vehicle. Cyclists were terrified that the driver would continue and crush bicyclists, particularly when they were trapped between their bicycles and the ground. Two bicyclists report the motorist brandished a knife on them. The motorist honked repeatedly and shouted as he attacked. Unfortunately, as all too often happens, police did not protect the rights of the bicyclists despite video evidence showing the attack. Police fabricated that bicyclists were "pushing their bicycles under the car," an outrageous claim. They refused to press charges on behalf of the injured victims. They did not search and impound the motorist's knife, claiming he "had a right to protect his car." Although many felt the motorist was drunk driving, police evidently failed to even run that basic test. The demonstration had already toured much of Berkeley without negative incident, and was returning from a sojourn atop Indian Rock. This exemplifies why there is a need for critical mass demonstrations. |