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I apologize for inferring whoever is running Soda these days is a knappy headed fucking Asperger's Syndrome autistic retard. tom \_ The person fixing log rotation is an alum volunteer and the csua politburo almost certainly had nothing to do with this.
There's still no information about the organization on the web page, and no one is doing anything about the computing resources. Isnt there an ASUC regulation that organizations must have and publicize two general meetings a semester? Have you even set foot in 343 Soda in the last six months? I was outgoing VP when we were moving to soda hall (I think smurf was incoming). In fact, it's at the heart of my point: Given that tom graduated over a decade ago, how is he supposed to be in tune with modern-day undergrads? I posit that, since he works on campus, he could walk to 343 Soda and talk to them, but he clearly has no interest in doing so. I posit that, since he works on campus, he could walk to 343 Soda and talk to them, but he clearly has no interest in doing so. the question is how the CSUA is serving its core constituency, and the answer is apparently, "not very well." Scheduling and publicizing general meetings is one of the very basic requirements for being an ASUC student group, and the CSUA is failing even at that.
edu email, so having email broken is also a major failure, even if email accounts for undergrads aren't as important as they used to be. Did they tell you the organization was in shambles, that without the glorious light of the alumni (meaning you), everything had gone to shit? Now, if the question is how is the CSUA serving its core constituency, and by core constituency you mean undergrads, the answer is "Just fine, thank you." The office is well populated, even at the kind of weird hours CS students keep. Services are being provided to undergards, just not the services your prioritize as important. And maybe emailing politburo@csua is an official way to contact the politburo, but so is, oh, I don't know, showing up at a politburo meeting, which has always been a better way to get the politburo's attention. I should also note that, at present, email is not broken. Whoever is responsible for the machines should just resign at this point if for whatever reason they're not taking care of the most basic stuff. Yes, the CSUA is not soda, blah, blah, but c'mon, can't be bothered to do log rotation?
If the current VP isn't doing that, whatever, just resign and let someone else do it. I never understood why people cling to volunteer jobs they don't want to do. How about because it's a thankless job where the job holder spends most or all of his time being berated by people like tom for a job he or she volunteered to do.
These comments about "what have you done to help" are by and large silly, as the people involved int eh public debates are by and large people who have "served" or donated or have volunteered to help, but had their overtures rebuffed. Although I suppose the current lazy \_ Past service does not give us any right to force our approach on the current administration. A donation with an expecation of a quid pro quo is a purchase, not a donation. Did it ever occur to you that there might be a good reason why offers of assistance are refused?
Two important post college jobs came directly or indirectly through Soda. I don't think the alumni add significant value to the CSUA when it comes to day to day operations. If someone offers help, and then gets pissed if the offer is ignored or refused, that person is not an altruist, he's an asshole. It's one thing for alumni to help people find jobs, offer intelligence on industry, or donate hardware or funds. It's another thing entirely to tell the undergrads how they should run the organization, and, yes, administering the machines is part of running the organization. Beginning the moment someone graduates, drops out, or fucks off to parts unknown, he becomes increasingly less relevant to the day to day operations of the CSUA. I'm not arguing in support of incompetence, I'm arguing in support of self-determination. Many alumni, eg tom, don't understand the difference because they are stuck on an idealized view of "how things should be done." And how do you expect alumni to find people jobs or offer intelligence on the industry when *absolutely nothing is being done to connect alumni with the organization*? If they don't login to soda how else are they going to stay in touch with the org? Telling them they need to go out of their way to show at politburo meetings as a requirement to assist future generations is utterly ridiculous and a red herring. I would personally like to see that happen, but I acknowledge that the relevance of MOTD and wall for current undergraduates is extremely low, and those mechanisms really aren't creating connections between undergrads and alumni. But what I am arguing is that if the CSUA wants to deemphasize or significantly change soda, it should be as the result of a policy decision, with specific plans for productive alternatives. dans's blithering takes as an assumption that the current politburo's negligence is the result of a policy decision, but I don't think there's any evidence of that. If the politburo were to say "we're killing wall and MOTD and installing phpBB and WordPress," there would at least be a way to defend that action. I think it's silly to have an Alumni Rep and some level of desire to have contact with alums but then insist that anyone not showing at a meeting is a useless alum. The fact is that soda is the easiest way for alums to stay in touch. With people all over the industry and academia this is a good place to make contacts and ask questions. At the end of the day success isn't about your gpa or the name of your school on your degree, it is about who knows you and is willing to help out. Maybe it has served its purpose and it is time to just shut it down and walk away. You can't blame tom, tom is taking the time to whine on motd but according to you motd is irrelevant anyway. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; I'm sure I played more netrek than they play WoW, but I managed to effectively run a much more difficult hardware and software setup, and also publish information about our meetings and help sessions. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; The CSUA was awesome back in my day, they should run it my way! tom: Oh, the politburo hasn't responded to my emails in five years. tom: Back in my day we had to walk uphill to and from the machine room and ran the machines smoothly at great risk to life and limb (the machines exploded back in my day) and played net trek to boot!
The permanent loss of job contacts and technical help is going to hurt the current and all future generations. Success isn't about what you know, your GPA, or which school gave you what letters on your diploma. If any of the politburo are reading it would be nice to get a real status report or at least to see the box come up for a week so we can grab our files before moving on. Students don't value connections with moldy alumni and thus have nothing to lose in the first place.
The machine is still in the process of being fixed and darch (the vp) has given an eta of "up on wednesday." is growing increasingly worried that we seem to get rooted a bunch, I haven't heard anything substantial as to our "not being allowed to bring it back online." And I was AT the office yesterday and at the ensuing first politburo meeting. I'll make sure to get the name of the undergrad next time I call.
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