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2007/5/8-9 [Science/GlobalWarming, Science/Electric] UID:46552 Activity:high
5/7     A typical house is responsible for the emission of more than three tons
        of carbon annually, compared with about 1.5 tons for the typical car,
        according to the Environmental Protection Agency.
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472719
        \_ So, if you and your family spend 2/3 of the time at home
           and 1/3 of the time in your car, both are about the same,
           eh?  What a stupid comparison.  Still, I do believe homes
           in CA are horribly inefficient.
           \_ New homes in CA tend to be very energy efficient.  Where'd you
              get the idea otherwise?
           \_ Not only that, but since the climate is so mild in CA, homes here
              probably use far less energy for air conditioning and heating
              than avg.
              \_ While new homes tend to be more energy efficient they also
                 tend to be bigger.  It's also pretty easy to take an older
                 home and make it efficient (double pane windows, better
                 insulation, these things aren't that expensive).  Plus
                 newer homes are more likely to have AC even in climates
                 like the Bay Area where really you don't need AC.
                 \_ I've lived in some old houses and no, slapping on double
                    panes and some fiber glass isn't going to help compared
                    to how modern houses are built.  You're just putting lip
                    stick on a pig.  It's still a pig.  I don't know which
                    part of the Bay Area you're in, but the parts I've lived
                    in have hit 100+ more than a few times over summers and
                    temps 85-100 are common enough.  It hits 85 and I'm
                    turning on the AC.
                    \_ You turn on the AC at 85?  Generally I find that just
                       getting cool air into the house at night will keep
                       the house cool enough during the day up to 95.
                       \_ Not if it is 80+ at night.
                    \_ I live in California and don't even have air
                       conditioning.  The ocean a few blocks away is my
                       air conditioning.
                       \_ Not everyone lives 'a few blocks away' from the
                          ocean.
        \_ But what's the typical car-to-house ratio?
        \_ Thank god I don't live in the typical house.
           \_ I line-dry my laundary and I use my gas drier maybe 5 times a
              year.  -- !OP
        \_ Carbon Dioxide is plant food.  Stop obsessing about it.
           \_ They call it pollution... we call it life.
        \_ cut your carbon release.  stop breathing.
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Manhattan's Solaire apartment complex, built in 2003, includes solar panels that provide 5 percent of its electricity needs. Take your thoughts off that gas-guzzling SUV for a moment and consider this: The average US home causes twice as much greenhouse emissions as a single car. A typical house requires power for heating, air conditioning, hot water and lighting -- enough to cause the emission of tons of polluting carbon gases each year. A typical house is responsible for the emission of more than three tons of carbon annually, compared with about 15 tons for the typical car, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. So it shouldn't be a surprise that green home building is poised to be the next great sales pitch in America's environmental renaissance. By 2010, half of new homes built are expected to be classified as "green" as more builders try to appeal to consumers worried about global warming, the environment and rising energy costs. Builders say green homes are more durable and tend to sell much faster than traditionally built houses. There are some 80 different local and state green building organizations and at least two different national groups promoting their own rules on what constitutes a green home. The result: a contentious war over whose rules become the national standard for making a house sustainable. "You can't just go and buy a green home with a magic stamp on it that you know is green," said Monica Gilchrist, national resource center coordinator for Global Green USA, which helps people walk through the green building process. Perhaps the best-known group in green building is the US Green Building Council, or USGBC, a nonprofit group that developed its own point rating system for green commercial projects and has certified 800 projects as green since 2000 through its Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design program, or LEED. The organization uses consultants under contract to certify projects according to USGBC rules. In 2004 the Green Building Council rolled out a pilot program for similar grading of residential projects, and today 350 builders are enrolled for 6,000 green homes to go through LEED certification. To get a home certified as green, builders would have to pay about $2,000 for the required inspection. An official program for green homes should be rolled out this fall. Meanwhile, the National Association of Home Builders, a trade group with 235,000 corporate members, is at work on its own green buildings standards. The group, which worked a decade ago to develop a standard way to measure square footage in homes, began work on green building rules in 2004. The process has been a long and arduous one, incorporating input from not only builders but architects, interior designers and construction product manufacturers. The rules, being developed in collaboration with the International Code Council, will be written for accreditation from the American National Standards Institute, or ANSI. "There's friction between us," says Jay Hall, acting program manager for the Green Building Council's LEED for homes program. But, he adds: "I do think we can and should play together." Hall and other Green Building Council officials worry the NAHB will come up with watered-down standards of what constitutes green in an attempt to appease too many varied stakeholders, including builders who want to keep costs down. Builders share tricks of the trade Calli Schmidt, a spokeswoman for the home builder's association, argues that the Green Building Council standards shouldn't be mandatory for builders, because they are not drawn up through consensus and are meant to generate revenue through the certification process. The homes may include energy-efficient appliances, water efficient faucets, better ductworks and air filtration systems or low-emissivity windows (which keep heat from filtering in or out of the windows). Paint is often a variety with few volatile organic compounds. Builders may even consider a home's orientation to the sun or the color of its roof as ways to conserve energy.