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2007/4/17-19 [Science/Biology] UID:46332 Activity:nil
4/17    Chimps might be more evolved than humans:
        http://urltea.com/dux (discovery.com)
        \_ Whatever that means.
           \_ They shouldn't have used our chimp-in-chief as the baseline for
              homo sapiens.
        \_ You don't mess with perfection. I wonder how much sharks have
           changed over the millenia. Same reason.
           \_ We are still evolving though.  We're getting taller, our brains
              are increasing in size and our (well half of us) dicks are
              getting bigger.
              \_ I would guess almost none of that is genetic, most would be
                 environmental.
           \_ I think one drawback of evolution by incremental changes is that
              it's hard to get out of a "local maximum" once something is
              evolving towards it or has evolved to it.  It needs big
              disturbance to jump out of the local maximum to go towards
              another, possibly higher, local maximum.
        \_ "This just shows us that we're ordinary animals," huh?  I think it
           shows the opposite.  Most animals are under some sort of
           evolutionary pressure.
           \_ Generally the top predators face fewer evolutionary pressures,
              e.g. sharks.
        \_ It has yet to be proven that higher thought is a long-term
           beneficial evolutionary adaptation.    -tom
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animals news News -- Animals Chimps More Evolved Than Humans? Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News small text large text Submit to: April 16, 2007 -- A comparison of human and chimpanzee genes has revealed a startling possibility: chimps may have evolved more than humans in the 6 or 7 million years since both diverged from a common ancestor. A study comparing human and chimp genes that appear to have evolved since we parted ways shows that humans have about 154 such genes and our nearest primate relative a whopping 233. This implies that chimps have undergone more evolutionary changes than humans over the same period of time. It also underscores a common misunderstanding that if an animal is "more evolved" it must be smarter or superior to others in some way. advertisement line "This just shows us that we're ordinary animals," said Jianzhi Zhang, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Michigan. Zhang and his colleagues published their study in the current issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In evolutionary terms, more changes in chimps might simply reflect that until a few thousand years ago there were a lot more chimps on Earth than humans, so they had a bigger gene pool and therefore more opportunities for change, Zhang explained to Discovery News. It could also just reflect that chimps were forced to adapt to more things than humans. Just what, exactly, is unknown, but it clearly did not lead to a larger brain or any of the other adaptations that set humans apart from other mammals.