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bio Since the comparison of the Iraq positions over the years of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is one of the hottest issues of the campaign, we thought it would be useful to post a comprehensive comparison of all of their votes on everything relating to the Iraq war. So here it is: A massive compilation of Iraq-related bills -- and the votes by Hillary and Obama on them, side by side -- beginning in early 2005, when Obama first joined the Senate. Of the total of 69 votes we compiled -- some significant, some not -- it turns out that the two differed on only one. But let us be clear: We are not posting this to suggest that their earlier difference at the start of the war -- their most important difference -- should in any way be overshadowed by these similarities. For many, that difference will remain paramount -- for good reason. We just wanted to add factual grist to what is but one component of the debate. As you can see, Clinton and Obama have voted the opposite way on only one vote on our list: The confirmation of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army, held just this past February. Hillary voted against confirmation, while Obama voted to confirm. Additionally, please don't hold it against us if we missed any important votes.
VOTE CLINTON OBAMA DESCRIPTION SR38, #4, 02/07/05 Y Y A resolution commending the people of Iraq on the January 30, 2005, national elections. HR1268, #90, 04/12/05 Y Y Motion to Waive CBA Re: Murray Amdt. HR1268, #103, 04/19/05 Y Y Motion to Invoke cloture on HR 1268, As Amended; Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 HR1268, #104, 04/20/05 N N Motion to Table Coburn Amdt. EmergencySupplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 HR1268, #117, 05/10/05 Y Y H R 1268 Conference Report; Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 S1042, #199, 06/21/05 Y Y Warner Amdt. S1042, #205, 07/26/05 N N Motion To Invoke Cloture On S 1042; National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006 HR 2862, #228, 09/14/05 Y Y Motion To Suspend Paragraph 4, Rule XVI RE: Dorgan Amdt. HR2863, #248, 10/05/05 Y Y Motion to Waive CBA re: Bayh Amdt. National DefenseAuthorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006 HR2863, #359, 12/19/05 Y Y Motion to Proceed to the Conference Report toAccompany HR 2863; Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006 HR1815, #360, 12/19/05 Y Y Motion to Proceed to Conference Report to Accompany HR 1815; National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006 HR2863, #364, 12/21/05 N N Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Conference Report to Accompany HR 2863; Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006 HR2863, #366, 12/21/05 Y Y HR 2863 Conference Report; Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006 HR4939, #101, 04/27/06 Y Y Byrd Amdt. S2766, #174, 06/15/06 Y Y Motion to Table McConnell Amdt. S2766, #183, 06/22/06 Y Y Motion to Invoke Cloture on S 2766; JohnWarner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 S2766, #186, 06/22/06 Y Y S 2766 As Amended; John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 HR5631, #225, 08/03/06 Y Y Boxer Amdt. HR5631, #233, 09/06/06 N N Motion to Table Kennedy Amdt. HR5631, #236, 09/07/06 N N Motion to Table Menendez Amdt. HR5631, #237, 09/07/06 N N Motion to Table Schumer Amdt. Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2007 HR4954, #243, 09/13/06 Y Y Motion to Waive CBA Re: Reid Amdt. S3930, #259, 09/28/06 N N On Passage, S 3930 As Amended; S470, #44, 02/05/07 Y Y Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to S 470; George W Casey to be Chief of Staff, US Army S574, #51, 02/17/07 Y Y Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to S574; SJR9, #74, 03/14/07 Y Y Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to Consider S J Res. HR1591, #117, 3/28/07 Y Y Motion to Invoke Cloture on HR 1591; US Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health, and Iraq Accountability Act, 2007 HR1591, #124, 3/29/07 Y Y Biden Amdt.
rj said: Looks like a useful corrective to the perception that Hillary votes with Leiberman on the war. I'm not crazy about Hillary these days, but that claim has always struck me as ridiculous.
goethean, we posted this out of genuine curiosity about their differences. but as we said, we absolutely think that these similarities don't in any way overshadow the initial difference between them -- which is (understandably) paramount for many people and which we've written here is key.
whiterosebuddy said: So what the votes really show is that after Hillary makes a mess she knows how to clean up well, behind herself? Great Monday morning QB judgement, is what we have here.
I'd be remiss if I bitched about gossip in other threads and did not credit the hard work that you did to produce this one. OT: Here is Obama's complete IL Senate record including all the bills he authored and co-sponsored and whether it passed or no action was taken. TPM might distill it down into something pallatable for general consumption. Still, it's easy enough to read if you are a political junkie.
He was not in the senate at the time and has already admitted that if he had been, he might have voted differently. His actual voting record is all we have and arguably it shows Hillary in a better light as Obama didn't even have the stomach to vote against Casey after his years of dissembling on Iraq. I am also not sure who you think Hillary's AUMF vote actually matters to. Polls show that it certainly doesn't matter to the vast majority of democratic voters. Continuing to trash Hillary for this vote just plays right into the hands of rightwing pundits. She is the likely nominee and many on the left spend most of their time creating talking points that will be used aginst her in the general election. It would be nice if people would think about strategy instead of ideaology for a change. Otherwise, we will end up with eight years of Rudy or worse.
lj629 said: Heretic wrote: "Obama made no such call at all." Obama in October 2002 making the right call: "But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. Hillary Clinton making the wrong call in October 2002 and admitting that she knows her "yes" vote might lead to war: This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.
upper left corner said: Clinton panders to the "support the troops" crowd. Obama holds Bush, Cheney and the entire Executive branch responsible for a failed policy.
Gwendyn said: A lot of the bills on the list seem to involve appropriating funds for troop safety and standard things like that rather than extreme policy positions; I'm a lot like Obama (or he's like me) in that while I opposed the war from the beginning, I'm not quite on the Feingold side of the issue regarding how/when to get out. I'm a bit more cautious in my feelings on how to extricate ourselves, though I very much approve of benchmarks, etc. Two things I think are worth noting: First, by the time Obama got to the Senate, Hillary had moved a bit left o...
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