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2007/3/28-31 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46126 Activity:nil
3/27    Majority of Iraqis say life better under Saddam Hussein:
        http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8881663
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www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8881663
Get article background Iraq Mugged by reality Mar 22nd 2007 From The Economist print edition How it all went wrong in Iraq AP "NEMESIS" was the word The Economist printed on its front cover four years ago, when jubilant Iraqis, aided by American soldiers, hauled down the big statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad's Firdos Square. For a moment it looked as though all the fears that had accompanied the build-up to the American-led invasion had been groundless. The defeat of Iraq's army in three weeks turned out to be exactly the "cakewalk" that some of the war's boosters predicted. And in many places Iraqis did indeed greet the American soldiers as liberators, just as Ahmed Chalabi, Iraq's best-known politician-in-exile, had promised they would. The invasion has been George Bush's nemesis as well as Saddam's. The lightning conquest was followed by a guerrilla and then a civil war. Talk of victory has given way to talk about how to limit a disaster. 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