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2007/3/26-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46101 Activity:low
3/26    This is a good read, though it's a long article,
        how the US has no plans to 'rescue' our Iraqi
        allies when we eventually leave Iraq:
        http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/26/070326fa_fact_packer?printable=true
        \_ Isn't the idea that we leave when they are ready to fully control
           their own country so they don't need rescue?
           \_ Right.  I am opposed to the war, always have been, but I
              completely agree with you.  I really don't think there is
              any way the 3 factions in Iraq will stop bombing each
              other while we are occupying Iraq.  Maybe they'll keep
              bombing each other when we're gone, who knows, but we're
              not helping.  One of the interesting points of the above
              article is that the Iraqis who work with us are not
              well treated by the US, are considered traitors by other
              Iraqis, and will be killed when we leave (and they're getting
              killed right now).  The Bush administration has no plans
              to evacuate them eventually because that would be admitting
              that they made a mistake.  I'm also available to start
              making analogies to the Vietnam and Korean war if you wish.
              Too bad there is not some all powerful figure left like
              Mao to tell people what to do.
                \_ Other Bush admin ideas: it will be a cakewalk, the war
                   will last maybe 6 months, the war will pay for itself, the
                   war will cost MAYBE $60 billion, imminent threat, WMDs,
                   mushroom clouds, we will be welcomed as liberators ...
                   did I miss any?
                   \_ Which has nothing to do with this thread.  If you'd like
                      to stay on topic, feel free.
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www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/26/070326fa_fact_packer?printable=true
Feeds An Iraqi interpreter wears a mask to conceal his identity while he assists a soldier delivering an invitation to an Imam for a meeting with an American colonel. An Iraqi interpreter wears a mask to conceal his identity while he assists a soldier delivering an invitation to an Imam for a meeting with an American colonel. Palestine Hotel On a cold, wet night in January, I met two young Iraqi men in the lobby of the Palestine Hotel, in central Baghdad. A few Arabic television studios had rooms on the upper floors of the building, but the hotel was otherwise vacant. at the gift shop, which was closed, a shelf displayed film, batteries, and sheathed daggers covered in dust. A sign from another era read, "We have great pleasure in announcing the opening of the Internet caf 24 hour a day. The management consisted of a desk clerk and a few men in black leather jackets slouched in armchairs and holding two-way radios. 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