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2007/3/26-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46100 Activity:nil
3/26    Lots of people I love to hate on here:
        http://www.radaronline.com/features/2007/01/betting_on_iraq_1.php
        \_ Amusing, story, but I find it hard to characterize Thomas Friedman
           as pro-Iraq war. -dans
           \_ Erm, how exactly would you characterize him if not "pro-war"?
              He's the preeminent "give it six more months"er.
           \_ You don't think so?  I remember the whole 'invading
              Iraq will be a grand roll of the dice!  Good show!'
              column.
              \_ Yeah, I remember that column two, but didn't exactly read it
                 as a ringing endorsement of going to war.  Could be that I'm
                 not weighting that column as much as the rest of his oeuvre.
                 -dans
                 \_ Revisionist
                    \_ Who me?  How about entitled to my fucking opinion.
                       You're welcome to have your own.  If you want to peg
                       something as revisionist, how about the original
                       article, which states that, "Because conservative
                       pundits generally acted as a well-coordinated bloc,
                       more or less interchangeable, all four of our hawks are
                       moderates or liberals who might have been important
                       opponents of the war..."  So, in effect, the
                       conservative pundits were all pro-war and all wrong,
                       but they don't deserve to be taken to task for their
                       opinions because they were wrong together!  Awesome!
                       -dans
                       \_ Thou dost protest too much
                          \_ #t -dans
           \_ it depends on what the meaning of "pro" is
              (you two obviously have different meanings)
        \_ Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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jpg MERITOCRACY OF DUNCES David Brooks A few years ago, David Brooks, New York Times columnist and media pundit extraordinaire, penned a love letter to the idea of meritocracy. perpetual improvement, and permanent exertion," he effused, and is essential to America's dynamism and character. Fellow glorifiers of meritocracy have noted that our society is superior to nepotistic backwaters like Krygystan or France because we assign the most important jobs based on excellence. This makes us less prone to stagnancy or, worse yet, hideous national clusterfucks like fighting unwinnable wars for reasons nobody understands. At Radar we are devoted re-readers of the Brooks oeuvre and were struck by this particular column. two), we wondered if America hasn't stumbled off the meritocratic path. More specifically, since political pundits like Brooks play such a central role in our national decision-making process, maybe something is amiss in the world of punditry. 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