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2007/2/28 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:45838 Activity:high
2/28    Quick quiz:  Which kills more Americans?
        A) Insurgents in Iraq attacking US soldiers
        B) Illegal Aliens in the US committing murder
        C) Wankers on the motd and other media sources creating overtly
           slanted, self-serving shill quizzes to make their points using
           dishonest and bad rhetorical techniques.
        http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=737771
        \_ It depends on what your definition of "more" is.
           We've had this discussion before.  You're very clearly
           an idiot.
        \_ Our laws governing automotive safety are as every bit as
           retarded as our foreign policy in the Middle East. Both
           need our attention and some solution. What makes Iraq
           particularly important is that it's putting an enormous
           strain on our resources (economically and militarily).
        \_ You're right, if we moved every single soldier from Iraq,
           Japan, Korea, Germany and Cuba to the Mexican border,
           we might stop all illegal immigration.  Kill.
           \_ That wasn't something I was suggesting. Try again. -op
              \_ It's about a sensical as your quiz. -!pp
                 \_ Or not. -op
        \_ Hey!  Thanks to the asshole who chnaged my post. choice B) is
           supposed to be Illegal Aliens committing murder.
        \_ I like how when lefties here don't like facts, they hide them.
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Since no one is tracking illegal alien crime against Americans, we have calculated it using our own methods described here. Whether it is worth it for Americans to suffer annually thousands of murders and billions of dollars so that we can save about 10 cents on a head of lettuce is something America will have to decide. report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following: Of the 55,322 illegal aliens studied, researchers found that they were arrested a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. Defendants charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies. All of these crimes would have never happened, ie they were preventable, has we had a serious program of deportation of the illegal aliens already here and proper border security to prevent both entry and re-entry. In reviewing those numbers, note that the study sampled only about 21% of the incarcerated illegal aliens. To get the full extent of the collateral damage, we need to apply the average number of offenses across all 267,000 currently incarcerated illegal alien criminals. Don't let the mainstream media and illegal alien advocates tell you that illegal immigration is a "victimless crime" and that they are here only to do the work Americans don't want to do. Since each crime has a victim, 1,288,619 sounds like a lot of victimization to us. Also keep in mind that the 1,288,619 crimes are only the ones committed by the hard core illegal alien criminals who were finally caught and incarcerated. The ones not caught and the new criminals crossing daily are committing more crime each and every day. One of the problems in identifying the involvement of illegal aliens in crime is that NO ONE TRACKS IT as a particular demographic statistic. Cop Murder Spotlights Crisis of Killer Aliens - No Government Agency Tracks Crimes by Illegals, Not Even Attacks on Police, nobody really knows how many illegal alien criminals there are or how many crimes they are actually committing. If we assume illegal aliens commit crimes at the same rate as citizens in the general population, an assumption that may grossly underestimate their involvement, we can estimate the number of crimes being committed by illegal aliens. To do this, we note the number of illegal aliens in the population and apply the percentage representation in the population to the total number of crimes committed. The current population of illegal aliens ranges from a generally accepted low of 12 million to a few estimates in the 25-30 million range. For the purposes of this discussion, we will use a relatively lower estimate of 15 million in a population of 300 million which is a 5% representation. It is worth noting that many official government figures are a bit lower number. If in fact accurate, a lower number of illegal aliens in the general population would actually increase their disproportionate involvement, something that is probably occurring anyway, as we shall see latter. Estimated Number of Arrests and apply a straight 5% illegal alien participation. These numbers are grossly understated as you will see later in this article, but we include them as an academic exercise to show what the bottom-most numbers could be: This calculates: CRIMES (actual arrests) Number In USA by illegal aliens Total 14,094,186 704,709 Murder & non-negligent manslaughter 14,062 703 Forcible rape 25,528 1,276 Offenses against family & children 129,128 6,456 The last column is the estimated criminal collateral damage inflicted by illegal aliens for 2005 as a straight proportional percentage basis of the population. Similar collateral damage would have been inflicted in 2006 and you can expect about as much in 2007. Using a simple cost-benefit analysis, is this much crime acceptable to save ten cents on a head of lettuce? You probably wouldn't think so if you were one of the 704,709 victims, and as one of the murder victims, you wouldn't be able to think at all. Again, keep in mind, this is the collateral damage being PER YEAR with a 5% participation rate. If the number of illegal aliens is greater than 15 million the number of crimes goes up. If the participation rate is greater, the number of crimes goes up. When we inquired of Justice Department why they didn't want to know if Hispanics or foreign nationals were committing any crime, their response was: "The Uniform Crime Reporting Program was mandated by Congress to collect and publish the crimes that are reported to police agencies for statistical purposes, not investigative purposes. The elements of race and ethnicity built into the UCR Program adhere to the guidelines established by DIRECTIVE NO 15, RACE AND ETHNIC STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL STATISTICS AND ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTING. Those guidelines are set by the Office of Management and Budget, and as a federal agency in the capacity of overseer of the UCR Program, the FBI is required to abide by those guidelines. For UCR purposes there are four racial categories: White; The term Hispanic is an indicator of ethnicity, and the UCR Program does not currently collect information on ethnicity." While the Justice Department tracks nearly every conceivable aspect of crime, evidently, Congress wants to know only what crimes "White, Black, American Indian, and Asian" Americans are committing. It is interesting that ethnicity is totally unimportant for determining who is committing crimes, but is very important for establishing minority status and preferences. It does not strain credulity to imagine that crimes are being committed by illegal aliens, aka foreign nationals, but unfortunately for Americans, these statistics are not tracked. Crime Statistics and the Itsy Bitsy Yellow Polka Dot Bikini: "Yet the public is generally unaware that the UCR system is essentially a voluntary system; there is no federal legislation that requires States or local jurisdictions to report their crime data to the FBI. The voluntary nature of the UCR, of course, affects the accuracy and completeness of the data. Although the FBI devotes a great deal of attention to the quality of the data it publishes in CIUS, it cannot mandate agencies to provide data on time (or at all)." In any case, it would appear that other than what the INS reports when foreign nationals are deported, NO ONE IS TRACKING CRIMES COMMITTED ON US SOIL BY FOREIGN NATIONALS. Given the serious of the crimes and the large participation by mostly Hispanic and illegal alien, aka foreign national, criminals it seems almost as if the various government agencies don't want us to know. Also, we could not find any investigative reporting by the mainstream media on the issue. Cop Murder Spotlights Crisis of Killer Aliens, in WND: "While no government agencies specifically track crimes by illegal aliens, there have been some efforts to quantify the loss. 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