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2007/2/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, ERROR, uid:45789, category id '18005#16.7588' has no name! , ] UID:45789 Activity:high
2/21    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=1344
        http://mediamatters.org/columns/200702200003
        Dems begin to eat their own.
        \_ I would vote for literally any Democrat instead of
           the Republicans in power now.
           \_ What if the Governator could run for President? Would
              you vote for any Democrat over him?
              \_ Yeah, probably.  Arnold has been really centrist
                 lately.  The State senate/house is a pit of despair.
        \_ This being the CSUA, you may not have spent much time studying
           politics, and this would explain why you think there's a story
           here.  Seasoned political observers will recognized this for what
           it is.  They even have a term for it.  It's called a Presidential
           Primary Campaign. -dans
           \_ And this is dans's bid for Biggest Soda Asshole.
              \_ Awesome!  I thought signing my posts disqualified me!
              \_ Awesome!  I thought signing my posts disqualified me! -dans
                 \_ Think again, dans.
                    \_ Wow.  Oh anonymous motd snark god, teach me your
                       secrets!! -dans
                       \_ That would imply you're willing to listen.
                          \_ Oh snark master, what must I do to be worthy of
                             your wisdom? -dans
                 \_ Where'd you get that idea from?  There is no crime to
                    being anonymous or moral high ground to signing.
                    \_ I didn't imply as such.  I merely posit that anonymity
                       opens entire avenues of assmastery that attribution
                       cannot hope to traverse.  And, actually, yeah, there is
                       a high ground to signing, perhaps not a moral one, but
                       certainly a trust one: I am more likely to believe
                       something from a trusted source, less likely to believe
                       something from an untrusted source, and, mostly
                       neutral, though slightly less likely to trust something
                       from an anonymous source.  Of course, wanking is
                       wanking, regardless of the attribution or lack thereof.
                       -dans
                       \_ I don't add/subtract value based on who signed.  I
                          use my brains and the net to check on anything posted
                          if it is important to me.  If it isn't important,
                          then it doesn't matter who said what.  I prefer to
                          judge the message not the messenger.  Otherwise, one
                          is doomed to only reading that which only reinforces
                          what one already believes.  I see no point to that.
                       \_ That cuts both ways.  I'm sure I'm not the only one
                          who rolls his eyes and keeps scrolling anytime he
                          sees "dans" at the end of a post which I might
                          otherwise read.  Hell, if I see your name more than
                          once in a thread, I assume the whole thing's noise,
                          and this thread is a perfect example.  Had you
                          posted anonymously, I might be fooled into reading
                          more noise.
                       \- while i think it is true "anonymity opens entire
                          avenues of assmastery" for some gaylords, i am dont
                          think you are using the word correctly. maybe you
                          mean assholishness?
                          \_ If you like.  I think my meaning is pretty clear,
                             and, evidently, you got it.  Besides, assmastery
                             is a far more amusing word than assholishness.
                             -dans
                             \- do you pay words extra to mean what you want
                                them to mean?
                                \_ Yes.  Though given that assmaster doesn't
                                   even appear in the wiktionary, I think
                                   you'd be hard pressed to come up with a
                                   dictionary (slang or otherwise) that
                                   supports your definition.  It's not like
                                   I'm trying to argue the definition of `is'
                                   -dans
                                   \_ humpty-dumpty@soda: dans
                                      \_ Why am I not surprised this thread
                                         went waaaaaay off topic almost from
                                         the beginning?
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Donate Join: Submit Press Release 2/21/2007 Clinton Camp to Obama: Cut Ties & Return Cash After Top Booster's Vicious Attacks As Obama rails against "slash & burn" politics, his top Hollywood fundraiser - David Geffen - personally attacks Hillary & her family Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson issued the following statement today demanding that Barack Obama disavow personal attacks that his campaign finance chair made against Senator Clinton in this morning's New York Times: "While Senator Obama was denouncing slash and burn politics yesterday, his campaign's finance chair was viciously and personally attacking Senator Clinton and her husband. "If Senator Obama is indeed sincere about his repeated claims to change the tone of our politics, he should immediately denounce these remarks, remove Mr Geffen from his campaign and return his money. "While Democrats should engage in a vigorous debate on the issues, there is no place in our party or our politics for the kind of personal insults made by Senator Obama's principal fundraiser. Barack Obama on Sunday railed against "slash and burn" politics in Washington in a brief stop in Nevada, his first since declaring his presidential ambitions. the slash and burn politics that have become the custom in Washington," the Illinois senator told a crowd of about 3,500 gathered at an outdoor amphitheater in Las Vegas.
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column (subscription required) last week about the Illinois senator's foray onto the presidential campaign trail, as Dowd traipsed out to the heartland to watch the Democratic sensation up close. But as is her custom, Dowd fixated on personality and stagecraft, not substance, as the poison-penned, Wednesday/Saturday columnist for The New York Times painted a relentlessly unflattering portrait of the senator. In the eyes of Dowd, Obama was out of his element on the national stage: "testy," "irritated," and "conflicted." attacks that in the past have been embraced by the mainstream press and tripped up Democrats such as Hillary Rodham Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry. The truth is, almost nothing about the Obama column rang true. In part, because Dowd provided virtually no evidence to back up her contentious claims that Obama was "testy," "irritated," and "conflicted" while campaigning in Iowa. Perhaps a career cynic like Dowd is put off by Obama's audacity-of-hope message. 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Obama's utterly trivial remark about the press getting fed first in no way suggested that he seemed a bit dazed. Dowd was reduced to interpreting Obama's body language for vague insights. Dowd produced no examples of the type of "advance billing" Obama failed to live up to. Dowd offered no examples to bolster either vague claim that Obama was "pristine" or "too refined." Also, note "dumb blond" appears in quotes, even though the words are Dowd's and nobody else's. " Dowd provided no information to back up her blind quote that Obama mocks "pretty boys," and specifically Edwards. Dowd offered no examples to bolster her claim about Obama. dispatch from Iowa's Des Moines Register: After shedding his suit jacket, Obama sat on a stool for a relaxed question-and-answer session that touched on improving education, enlarging federal grants for college students, raising teacher pay, insuring those who have no health care, lowering health care costs for all Americans, ending poverty, dealing with global warming, and ending the country's dependence on foreign oil through the development of alternative fuels. Dowd though, dismissed Obama's detailed discussion of the issues. Indeed, Dowd long ago signaled that she had little interest in voter concerns. Dowd, a political columnist for the Times, had no interest in any of that. She's been professionally rewarded for her decision to do as little legwork as possible for her column. The problem is Dowd has established a record of being untrustworthy, particularly when painting unflattering portraits of prominent Democrats. 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MMFA should post "boehlert smears dowd column as 'catty attack'" dowd is a female supremacist and wants clinton to win. She does it with style and is entertaining but if you want substance Dowd is NEVER a reasonable choice. I truly believe that Dowds major consideration of whether to write a supporting or opposing column is simply which can she write better. Flag this comment * Dowd I realize Dowd has been quite critical of the Bush White House, but just because she smears Republicans and Democrats alike, that doesn't mean her approach to journalism is right. Flag this comment + I also enjoy her colums I even have her book. However I dont fool myself that she is going to say anything useful. Its the kind of entertainment I also find in the funnies. Flag this comment * Sex Counts One only need compare Dowd's professional photo with her real life visage on television to see that the real Dowd is a mess of contradictions. I mean, "spring chicken" does not come to mind when she shows her true profile. itchy whining and carping confirms the belief that all human beings need sex -- at least once a year, perhaps more often. That is a goal to which Ms Dowd should aspire and to which the NYT should kick in a few bucks. Flag this comment + Now that's a catty sexist comment We have a winner here! Maureen Dowd is snarky, opinionated, and her columns are not based on fact- as was well documented here. The danger is that her poison pen does have an inordinate influence on how candidates are viewed. If she were placed in a gossip column- rather than the editorial page of the NYT- that would be better suited to her kind of writing. Yes politicians are "fair game"- but give us some kind of substantive proof that informs an opinion. Or just say I'm making th...