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2007/2/9-12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:45697 Activity:low
2/9     On August 2nd, the USS Maddox was attacked by three North Vietnamese
        P-4 patrol boats 28 miles away from the North Vietnamese coast in
        international waters...
        http://csua.org/u/i0x
        \_ Huh?
        \_ Excuse me, which tree-hugging hippie commune did fall out of?
           Iraq is not Vietnam. And North Vietnam is not Iran.
           \_ I think Iran is 100x worse than Vietnam.  Our oil was not
              under Vietnam.  Goddamn Bush!
              \_ Yeah, how stupid of him was it to put all our oil under
                 Iran?  Why didn't he put our oil under Texas or Alaska
                 or something?
                 \_ Because his Saudi oil masters wouldn't let him.
                    "We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can
                     think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it."
                    \_ Well that was stupid to put the oil under Saudi Arabia
                       then, wasn't it?
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AP Gates: Bombs tie Iran to Iraq extremists By LOLITA C BALDOR, Associated Press Writer 57 minutes ago MUNICH, Germany - Serial numbers and other markings on bombs suggest that Iranians are linked to deadly explosives used by Iraqi militants, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday in some of the administration's first public assertions on evidence the military has collected. The materials -- which in their classified form include slides and some two inches of documents -- provide evidence of Iran's role in supplying Iraqi militants with highly sophisticated and lethal improvised explosive devices and other weaponry. Among the weapons is a roadside bomb known as an "explosively formed penetrator," which can pierce the armor of Abrams tanks with nearly molten-hot charges. One intelligence official said the US is "fairly comfortable" it knows where the explosives came from. The Iran dossier also lays out alleged Iranian efforts to train Iraqis in military techniques. Yet, government officials say there is some disagreement about how much to make public to support the administration's case. Intelligence officials worry the sources of their information could dry up. Among the evidence the administration will present are weapons that were seized in US-led raids on caches around Iraq, one military official in Washington said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. Other evidence includes documents captured when US-led forces raided an Iranian office Jan. Tehran said it was a government liaison office, but the US military said five Iranians detained in the raid were connected to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard faction that funds and arms insurgents in Iraq. The assertions have been met with skepticism by some lawmakers still fuming over intelligence reports used by the administration to propel the country to war with Iraq in 2003. Pentagon inspector general's report criticized prewar Defense Department assertions of al-Qaida connections to Iraq. Speaking with reporters in Seville, Spain, on Friday before traveling to Munich, Gates told reporters that markings on explosives provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are supplying either weapons or technology for Iraqi extremists. "I think there's some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found" that point to Iran, he said. Gates' remarks left unclear how the US knows the serial numbers are traceable to Iran and whether such weapons would have been sent to Iraq by the Iranian government or by private arms dealers. Explosives have been a leading killer of US forces in Iraq, where more than 3,000 US troops have died in the nearly four-year-old war. In Iraq on Friday, the military reported three more American soldiers killed in combat, pushing the US death toll to 33 in the first eight days of the month. 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The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.