2/7     Has anyone got Pine to work in the new CSUA environment?  I
        didn't see anything in the FAQ that described this.  When I open
        up Pine I get:

        [Can't open /var/mail/theeric: not a selectable folder]

        When I try to do anything (i.e move up or down with arrow, hit I
        for mail), I get another error:

        [Command " " not defined for this screen. Use ? for help
        \_ I don't understand why anyone would sit down at a shell for
           the first time and choose the most broken and least functional
           mail client given so many other quality choices.
           \_ I use /usr/bin/mail.  -- !OP
           \_ Maybe because your claim that it's "most broken" is idiotic?
              Maybe because it's easy to work and you don't have to read any
              documentation to use it effectively?
              \_ There are lots of easy to use mail clients that require no
                 reading.  Judging from our local population either pine is
                 very hard to use or pine users are much less intelligent
                 since the overwhelming majority of mail client problems on
                 the motd are pine related going back many years.  <s> Sorry
                 if you're one of the very few pine genius gurus out there and
                 got "offended".  </sarcasm>  The best thing root@soda could
                 do for the mail users here is delete the pine install.  Anyone
                 clued enough to install their own can figure out the rest,
                 while those who can't figure it out can use something better.
                 \_ Why don't you name a few that's not 'broken'?
                    \_ I'll ignore your poor grammar and name one: mutt.
                       For the record, I haven't run a command line mail
                       reader in years, these days I use Mail.app.  But that
                       doesn't change the fact that mutt is a spectacularly
                       better command line mail client than pine. -dans
              \_ PP's claim that pine is the most broken mail client, while
                 hyperbolic, is pretty close to the mark.  Unfortunately, Mark
                 Crispin hangs like an albatross over all UW mail related
                 software including pine and IMAP.  In the case of pine, he
                 merely actively contributes to its sucking.  In the case of
                 IMAP, what he has done is far worse since, last I checked,
                 UW-IMAP is the RFC reference implementation, and he has
                 single-handedly crippled numerous useful IMAP features while
                 slowing its adoption and driving back the day when POP is
                 just a bad memory.
                 cf: http://www.courier-mta.org/fud
                 -dans
        \_ I got this error message a few days ago, since then, I
           removed my .procmailrc, and now pine seems to work fine.
           However I can't get to any of the mail files on
           /var/mail/$USER. I do see incoming mails...
        \_ I figured it out, you need to create "cur, new, tmp" in
           /var/mail/$USER directory, then pine and mutt will work fine.
           \_ Except that the new mail isn't being delivered to those dirs.
           \_ any idea what those dirs are for?  They are all empty, new mails
              are in /var/mail/$USER folder, but pine does not see them.
              \_ I have no idea where pine is getting my mails, my
                 /var/mail/$USER directory is empty with the exception
                 of these 3 directories, yet pine/mutt says my inbox
                 has X mails.
                 \_ It's getting them from those directories. There's no
                    question about that. However, that does not seem to
                    be where the mailer is delivering mail. At least,
                    my mail is just being stuffed into /var/mail/$USER/msg.????
                    and I am not using procmail or anything else. What
                    is the default behavior supposed to be for mail
                    delivery now?
        \_ in our .pinerc, add a line like this:
           maildir-location=/var/username/brett
           maildir-location=/var/mail/$USER
           maildir-location=/var/username/mail
        \_ Thanks everyone who helped with the Pine issues.  I'm always
           pleasantly surprised when the motd helps those that don't live &
           breath UNIX daily.  It's a nice change from the condescending
           attitude you generally tend to get at UNIX boards.  I was able to
           fix Pine by:
           1) creating "cur, new, tmp" in /var/mail/$USER directory
           2) removing my .procmailrc file
           3) removing my .forward which had a spam forward in place
              (procmail)