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SmithL Green Bay -- A Hmong hunter has been found dead in a wildlife area in a case that is stirring memories of a mass shooting that exposed racial tensions. Cha Vang, 30, of Green Bay, was found dead Saturday morning, a night after he was reported missing in the Peshtigo Harbor Wildlife Area in northeastern Wisconsin. Investigators have not said how they believe he died but said they are treating the case as a homicide. Authorities detained a 28-year-old Peshtigo man, James Nichols, who showed up at a medical center Saturday with a gunshot wound that wasn't life-threatening, said Laurel Steffes, a spokeswoman for the Marinette County Sheriff's Department. He is considered a person of interest but was being held on a parole violation from an unrelated burglary conviction and had not been charged in Vang's death, she said. Dealings between the Hmong, an ethnic minority group from Southeast Asia, and predominantly white residents of the mostly rural north woods have been on edge since November 2004, when Hmong immigrant Chai Soua Vang, 38, of St. Chai Vang claimed he acted in self-defense after they shouted racial epithets, cursed at him and one fired a shot in his direction.
View Replies To: SmithL To hell with diversity, the Hmong are out of place, it's time to go back home. And they have fared far better here than white Wisconsins would have in southeast Asia. Think of all the social benefits and welfare the Hmong have received....
xJones See how the whites, blacks and asians have screwed the place up, maybe we ought to just give ALL of Wisconsin up to the Oneida just the way Thomas Jefferson intended.
View Replies To: SmithL This latest shooting was a tragedy. I hope the Hmong are big enough not to enflame a difficult situation that all are struggling to overcome.
View Replies To: SmithL "Chai Vang claimed he acted in self-defense after they shouted racial epithets, cursed at him and one fired a shot in his direction. The former truck driver is serving multiple life terms." I love this little part to make it sound like the Chai thing (and implicating this latest case) is all because of racism by the whites. Obviously the jurors didn't think that was the case, or he wouldn't be serving multiple life terms. And there very well may be a "cultural" misunderstanding aspect to this latest case as well. Things such as private property, game limits, hunting seasons, etc.
View Replies To: burroak If you were a really good student of history (and could understand "sarcasm") you'd have gotten a good laugh out of that comment. Yes, Thomas Jefferson wanted to use Wisconsin as a gigantic reservation, just like Oklahoma finally became (until the Cherokee joined the Confederacy). Well, anyway, both history and biting sarcasm can be lost on some people.
View Replies To: Jedi Master Pikachu Technically, should the Amerindians own all American land west of the Mississippi? Most of the tribes in Oklahoma were removed from the East Coast.
Indian Removal Act (from Wikipedia), but wasn't there something to the extent that American land west of the Mississippi was Amerindian land? And for some of the dense folk on this thread, no, not supporting giving all the land west of the Mississippi to the Amerindians.
Indian Removal Act (from Wikipedia), but wasn't there something to the extent that American land west of the Mississippi was Amerindian land? And for some of the dense folk on this thread, no, not supporting giving all the land west of the Mississippi to the Amerindians.
View Replies To: SmithL In Wisconsin, you're "Hmong Friends!" The Hmong I encountered in Seattle were fairly alienated from the mainstream, although their children were/are very Americanized (in a negative way in many cases). Nevertheless, the work most of the flower stands at the Pike Market.
View Replies To: xJones Sounds like this, presumably "white", guy is no prise either. being held on a parole violation from an unrelated burglary conviction Unless it was misdemeanor conviction, which seems highly unlikely, this guy had no business out in the words with a gun, since he's prohibited by federal law from having one.
There were so many treaties that were made and broken that I've lost count. And, same as you, I'm not supporting giving anything back either direction. Must say also that my grandparents were born in IT (Indian Territory). Since it is home and I like it up there I wouldn't change it back.
View Replies To: SmithL "while trespassing in a private tree stand." Aren't tree stands kind'a small for all that to happen in one? Oh, maybe one of those highly nuanced "journalists" and his/her ever even smarter editor meant private stand of trees.
View Replies To: xJones To hell with diversity, the Hmong are out of place, it's time to go back home. And they have fared far better here than white Wisconsins would have in southeast Asia. Think of all the social benefits and welfare the Hmong have received.... I think on the whole, they have done a damn fine job of assimilation into American society.
View Replies To: Jedi Master Pikachu Of course not according to the testimony of the Indians interviewed by DeSoto at Terre Haute, it was pretty rugged across the river in Illinois at the time (1541/2) due to the enormous numbers of gigantic buffalo roaming around. That meant that even the most advanced Indians at the time in the Mississippi Valley didn't attempt to make permanent habitation in Buffalo range land. You'd better believe they stayed out of the Great Plains. So, absent a presence, no Indian claim can be made satisfactory to a court of equity. On the other hand, Congress has allowed some Indians to have reservations in that territory, but that's all based on events subsequent to DeSoto's interview. But, back to the main thread here should Texans, who like to shoot doves on powerlines, be accepted as legitimate commenters on Wisconsin's peculiar hunting traditions? Or, alternatively, should everyone give up on Wisconsin and return it to the Oneida (to whom the US government intended to give it) this could have otherwise obscure but real benefits when we disperse the mind-numbed Liberal nexus at University of Wisconsin to the original homelands on college campuses in the East.
View Replies To: Paladin2 Not "private stand of trees" but "private tree stand". These guys build little stands in the trees/under the trees they sit on waiting for deer to wander by. This is a hunting technique analogous to shooting doves on telephone lines.
View Replies To: muawiyah I've seen tree stands and it's impossible for two people occupying one to be there much less be at least a gun barrel's length away from one another. The guy in jail chased a bunch of 'em around for a while.
I've had the honor of knowing many elderly Hmong gentlemen who fought for our side in Laos -- and risked not only their lives, but their families lives to rescue downed American pilots -- and several terrific young Hmong men who are currently serving over in the sandbox in the Army and Marines, and I would gladly trade any number of loudmouthed ignorant Texans to get a few more Americans like those Hmong.
View Replies To: Paladin2 Yeah, what he was doing sounds like he was on some sort of "man hunt". We'll probably never know, but I bet his presence in prison shakes the guards and other prisoners up as much as happened with that Dahmer guy. This case here is probably just another case of a holiday hunter being accidentally shot by a bullet fired from a long range. Still, because of the previous situation this death must be investigated more thoroughly than would usually be the case. I'll stand aside from this for a while and wait with "baited" breath, eh!
A "tree stand" AKA "deer stand" is an elevated platform or seat typically placed up in a tree. It provides the hunter a better location to observe and shoot while raising his scent up above ground level. To trespass onto private property and "borrow" another guy's stand can be considered equivalent to breaking into his garage and taking his Corvette for a joy ride.
View Replies To: xJones Diversity is not bad in itself but becomes bad if it becomes the sole end. To Hell w...
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