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| 2006/12/19-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:45470 Activity:high |
12/19 Zucker's take on the ISG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w77sLtz754 \_ Ah, yes, that Neville Chamberlain of our time, James Baker. I'm sorry, wtf are you talking about? \_ Sorry, no one is buying your BS anymore. \_ What BS? I pointed to a video on youtube. \_ The BS that America is strong and can make other people listen to us. Sorry neocons, the real world doesn't work that way. People hate America and you're not going to make them do what you want them to do just because you think you have the world's greatest military power. Military power comes and goes but resentments live on forever. \_ Who hates America? Do you? The Arabs do because it serves their political leaders for them to do so. I bet China prefers a bit of healthy dislike in its people too given the totalitarianism. The fact is their countries are in a state of shittitude because of their own fucked governments (cf. Iran). \_ The Iranians might hate us because we overthrew their democratically elected government and replaced it with a totalitarian one. Just a thought. Why do the Iraqis hate us? Do you really have to ask that? that? Oh, and just a little geography lesson: Iranians are not Arabs. Thought you might like to know. \_ I didn't say they were. If you asked the average Iranian I bet you will not hear "because they replaced our democratic government". \_ this may shock you, but Chinese government is more popular across the globe than American one. \_ Really? When did we vote on that? I haven't missed a vote on anything since I was old enough to vote. \_ anti-American senitment is very stron across the globe during the time when China is forgiving debt and cut checks to Africian oil rich nations with *NO STRING ATTACHED*. You should also dig out old newspaper on how popular Hu Jing-Tao was during his Latin-America tour. As for Middle East, do you have any idea what kind of government would we have today across the Arab nation if we allow them to *VOTE* for their leader? (hint, Hamas). \_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8324290 But it wasn't mentioned in MM's blog, so you might have missed it... \_ A Pew poll? With no numbers? Ok, whatever. I'm sure you also believe Iraq was a land of chocolate rivers with candied banks under Hussein. And what exactly would be the surprise if a bunch of socialists prefered a communist country to a democratic capitalist one anyway? \_ I am sure you can google for the source if you really want to see the numbers. I am also sure you won't bother to, since it upsets your fantasy about how the world is. world is. You do know that the vast majority of Iraqis think the country is worse off now than it was under SH, right? \_ No I won't do your work for you. If you have something to say, go find a real source for it and post it. No one here has the time to google every half- assed zero-information link posted to the motd by some crank who believes in chocolate rivers. Then you make another unsubstantiated claim that I'm supposed to google, too? How about you tell me what my fantasy about the world is since the only thing I've said so far is your link is garbage. I see you also ignored the underlying issue with a poll "of the world" in that "the world" is all about predisposed bias and the odds of getting a "fair" poll about what "the world" thinks are about zero. Just curious, do you see yourself as a "Citizen of the World"? \_ Tactic 1: ad hominem Tactic 2: attack the source Tactic 3 (will occur as soon as I post a link): claim polls are meaningless. -tom \_ Facts are such bitter stubborn things. http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=247 \_ They don't like Bush. It doesn't translate to a general hatred of America as you imply. At least half our population doesn't like Bush (approval ratings etc). \_ I predict it will take a long time, at least a decade or two, to undo the damage the Bush and his crowd has done to US opinion worldwide. \_ I believe it's customary to include either "nutjob" or "He's right, you know" with links like this. Omission thereof tends to imply support. --!pp \_ http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm Support for the warmonger faction is down to 28%. |
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| www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w77sLtz754 gameplayhd (2 minutes ago) beaviebugeater: I don't know the last time you were in Europe, but it's looking a whole lot more prosperous than most of the United States, which is starting to look more and more like Honduras with Starbucks. bluetomjones (3 minutes ago) The Jews once again as they have for centuries, will serve as the world's "canary in a coal mine". Whenever massive evil is about to be sprung upon the whole world, almost always attacks the Jews first. The Islamo-Fascist coalition that is out to annihilate the Jews will not stop with them if we step back and let them. They will destroy any and everyone that is not in their particular strain of Islamo-Fascism. eezraymee (9 minutes ago) Hilarious, hits the nail on the head and reaffirms that human behavior just doesn't change much -- even, or particularly, in the face of reality. |
| www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8324290 WASHINGTON - The United States' image is so tattered overseas two years after the Iraq invasion that China, which is ruled by a communist dictatorship, is viewed more favorably than the US in many countries, an international poll found. The poor image persists even though the Bush administration has been promoting freedom and democracy throughout the world in recent months and has sent hundreds of millions of dollars in relief aid to Indian Ocean nations hit by the devastating Dec. "It's amazing when you see the European public rating the United States so poorly, especially in comparison with China," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. Eleven of the 16 countries surveyed by the Pew Research Center - Britain, France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Jordan and Indonesia - had a more favorable view of China than the United States. India and Poland were more upbeat about the United States, while Canadians are as likely to see China favorably as they were the United States. Iraq war taints US image The poll, which was released Thursday, found suspicion and wariness of the United States in many countries where people question the war in Iraq and are growing wary of the US-led war on terror. "The Iraq war has left an enduring impression on the minds of people around the world in ways that make them very suspicious of US intentions and makes the effort to win hearts and minds far more difficult," said Shibley Telhami, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. The overseas image of the United States slipped sharply after the Iraq invasion in 2003, the Pew polling found, and it has not rebounded in Western European countries like Britain, France, Germany and Spain. The US image remains relatively poor in Muslim countries like Jordan and Pakistan, but has bounced back in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country which benefited from US aid to tsunami victims, as well as in India and Russia. Support for the US-led war on terror has dipped in European countries like Britain, France, Germany, Canada and Spain, while it remains low in the Muslim countries surveyed like Pakistan, Turkey and Jordan. Danforth: 'A great wariness' of US "There is a general recognition that terrorism is a terrible problem that strikes home in countries all over the world," said John Danforth, the former Republican senator from Missouri who also was US ambassador to the United Nations. "The position of the United States as the one surviving superpower is to be assertive in responding in a world of terrorism. But in the rest of the world, there is a great wariness about that," said Danforth, now a St. The poll found a positive reaction in European countries to President Bush's campaign for more democracy in countries around the world. People in Muslim countries were wary of the US campaign, but supportive of the idea of democracy in their own countries. Danforth said the attitudes in the Middle East about democracy were a bright spot. "But we need to do a better job of communicating what we're trying to do." The survey found that a majority in most countries say the United States doesn't take the interests of other countries into account when making international policy decisions. It also found most would like to see another country get as much military power as the United States, though few want China to play that role. People in most countries were more inclined to say the war in Iraq has made the world a more dangerous place. People in other countries who had unfavorable views of the United States were most likely to cite Bush as the reason rather than a general problem with America. Madeleine Albright, the secretary of state when Bill Clinton was president, said big majorities of the public in these countries are discontented with Bush "and say Bush's re-election has made them view the United States less favorably." The polls were taken in various countries from late April to the end of May with samples of about 1,000 in most countries, with more interviews in India and China and slightly less than 1,000 in the European countries. The margin of sampling error ranged from 2 percentage points to 4 percentage points, depending on the sample size. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
| pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=247 Anti-Americanism in Europe, the Middle East and Asia, which surged as a result of the US war in Iraq, shows modest signs of abating. But the United States remains broadly disliked in most countries surveyed, and the opinion of the American people is not as positive as it once was. The magnitude of America's image problem is such that even popular US policies have done little to repair it. President George W Bush's calls for greater democracy in the Middle East and US aid for tsunami victims in Asia have been well-received in many countries, but only in Indonesia, India and Russia has there been significant improvement in overall opinions of the US Attitudes toward the US remain quite negative in the Muslim world, though hostility toward America has eased in some countries. Many Muslims see the US supporting democracy in their countries, and many of those who are optimists about the prospects for democracy in the Middle East give at least some credit to US policies. But progress for America's image in these countries is measured in small steps; solid majorities in all five predominantly Muslim countries surveyed still express unfavorable views of the United States. The polling in Western Europe, conducted in the weeks leading up to the decisive rejection of the European Union constitution by voters in France and the Netherlands, finds pockets of deep public dissatisfaction with national conditions and concern in several countries over immigration from the Middle East, North Africa and Eastern Europe. There are no signs, however, that Euro-skepticism about the EU has fueled a desire for a closer trans-Atlantic partnership. On the contrary, most Europeans surveyed want to take a more independent approach from the US on security and diplomatic affairs. Indeed, opinion of the US continues to be mostly unfavorable among the publics of America's traditional allies, except Great Britain and Canada. Even in those two countries, however, favorable views of the US have slipped over the past two years. Moreover, support for the US-led war on terror has plummeted in Spain and eroded elsewhere in Europe. Japan, France and Germany are all more highly regarded than the United States among the countries of Europe; even the British and Canadians have a more favorable view of these three nations than they do of America. Strikingly, China now has a better image than the US in most of the European nations surveyed. Attitudes toward the US in the former Soviet bloc nations of Poland and Russia are much more positive than in most of Western Europe. In Russia, favorable opinion of its former Cold War adversary has swelled from 36% in 2002 to 52% currently. Opinions of the US in Poland have declined since 2002, but still remain relatively positive (62%). The latest survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, conducted among nearly 17,000 people in the United States and 15 other countries from April 20-May 31, finds that America's image is strongest in India. Fully 71% in India express a positive opinion of the United States, compared with 54% three years ago. Positive opinions of the US in Indonesia, which had plummeted to as low as 15% in 2003, also have rebounded to 38%. With the exception of Christian opinion in Lebanon, views of the US in other predominantly Muslim nations are more negative and have changed little. In Turkey, hostility toward the US and the American people has intensified. Nearly half of Turks (46%) say they have a very unfavorable view of Americans, up from just 32% a year ago. Yet there is modest optimism among Muslims that the Middle East will become more democratic. And even in countries like Jordan and Pakistan, where people have low regard for the US, many who believe the region will become more democratic give some credit to US policies for making this possible. Roughly half of respondents in Jordan and nearly two-thirds of Indonesians think the US favors democracy in their countries. About half of the public in Lebanon also takes that view. But on this question and others relating to opinions of the US, Lebanon's Muslim majority (about 60% of the population) is far more negative than its minority Christian population. The survey finds that while China is well-regarded in both Europe and Asia, its burgeoning economic power elicits mixed reactions. Majorities or pluralities in France and Spain believe that China's growing economy has a negative impact on their countries. Respondents in the Netherlands and Great Britain have much more positive reactions to China's economic growth. Whatever their views on China's increasing economic power, European publics are opposed to the idea of China becoming a military rival to the US, despite their deep reservations over American policies and hegemony. Solid majorities in every European nation except Turkey believe that China's emergence as a military superpower would be a bad thing. In Turkey and most other predominantly Muslim countries, where antagonism toward the US runs much deeper, most people think a Chinese challenge to American military power would be a good thing. Nonetheless, there is considerable support across every country surveyed, with the notable exception of the US, for some other country or group of countries to rival the United States militarily. In France, 85% of respondents believe it would be good if the EU or another country emerged as a military rival to the US Most Western Europeans want their countries to take a more independent approach from the US on diplomatic and security affairs than it has in the past. The European desire for greater autonomy from the US is increasingly shared by the Canadian public; The American public, by contrast, increasingly favors closer ties with US allies in Western Europe. As in the past, the perception that the United States conducts a unilateral foreign policy is widely shared across the surveyed countries. Overwhelming percentages of people in Europe and the Middle East believe that the United States does not take their countries' interests into account when making foreign policy. Majorities in India (63%) and China^2 (53%) believe the US takes their respective countries' interests into account at least a fair amount. The percentage in Indonesia expressing that view has more than doubled since 2003 (from 25% to 59%), probably reflecting the overwhelmingly positive reaction in response to US tsunami relief in that country. The US tsunami relief effort led to more favorable views of the US for most nations surveyed. But goodwill generated by US tsunami relief has been largely offset by the negative reactions to Bush's re-election and the continuing war in Iraq. Roughly three-quarters of the publics in Germany (77%), Canada (75%) and France (74%) say Bush's re-election has made them feel less favorable toward the US And particularly in Western Europe, most of those who express an unfavorable view of the US mostly blame Bush, rather than a more general problem with America. The war in Iraq continues to draw broad international opposition, and there is scant optimism that the elections in that country this past January will foster stability. Even the American public now has diminished expectations that the January elections held in Iraq will lead to a more stable situation there. The United States and India are the only countries surveyed in which pluralities believe Saddam Hussein's removal from power has made the world a safer place. While the war in Iraq is as unpopular in Europe as it was in 2003 and 2004, there is still majority support for the US-led war on terrorism among Western publics that are otherwise highly critical of the US, notably in Germany and France. But support for the war on terrorism has all but evaporated in Spain since 2003 and, notably, Canadian opinion on the American-led war on terror is now evenly divided. Mixed Views of the American People The new poll finds Canadians holding increasingly negative views of both the US and the American people. In most Western countries surveyed, majorities associate Americans with the positive characteristics "honest," "inventive" and "hardworking." At the same time, substant... |
| www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm India 10 Iran Iraq 11 Israel 12 Korea 13 Japan 14 Liberia 15 Mexico 16 Northern Ireland 17 Pakistan 18 Russia 19 Saudi Arabia 20 Serbia/Yugoslavia/Kosovo 21 Vietnam Iraq All data are from nationwide surveys of Americans 18 & older. Worth Fighting Not Worth Fighting No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 49 47 5 4/15-18/04 51 47 2 3/4-7/04 52 44 3 2/10-11/04 48 50 2 1/15-18/04 56 41 3 12/18-21/03 59 39 2 12/14/03 53 42 5 11/12-16/03 52 44 4 10/26-29/03 54 44 2 10/9-13/03 54 44 2 9/10-13/03 61 37 2 9/4-7/03 54 42 4 8/20-24/03 57 37 5 7/9-10/03 57 40 3 6/18-22/03 64 33 3 4/27-30/03 70 27 4 . Does Does Not No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 38 57 5 4/15-18/04 45 53 2 3/4-7/04 43 53 3 12/18-21/03 48 47 5 10/9-13/03 42 53 5 9/10-13/03 42 55 2 . Bogged Down Good Progress No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 60 35 5 4/15-18/04 59 41 0 . Very Closely Some- what Closely Not Too Closely Not Closely At All No Opinion % % % % % 5/5-6/04 36 39 16 8 1 . Approve Disap- prove No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 48 35 17 . Isolated Wide- spread No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 62 31 7 . Quickly Enough Too Slowly No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 42 42 16 . Investigate Cover It Up No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 44 43 13 . Resign Keep His Job No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 20 69 11 . What's your own personal reaction to the apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners? Not Concerned Concerned, Not Upset Upset, Not Angry Angry No Opinion % % % % % 5/5-6/04 7 39 27 24 2 . Not a Big Deal A Big Deal No Opinion % % % 5/5-6/04 28 69 3 Gallup Poll. Approve Disap- prove No Opinion % % % 5/2-4/04 42 55 3 4/16-18/04 48 49 3 3/26-28/04 51 47 2 1/29 - 2/1/04 46 53 1 1/2-5/04 61 36 3 12/5-7/03 50 47 3 11/3-5/03 45 54 1 10/6-8/03 47 50 3 9/8-10/03 51 47 2 8/25-26/03 57 41 2 7/25-27/03 60 38 2 7/18-20/03 57 39 4 7/7-9/03 58 39 3 6/12-15/03 63 34 3 4/14-16/03 76 21 3 3/29-30/03 71 27 2 3/24-25/03 71 26 3 3/14-15/03 56 41 3 1/31 - 2/2/03 54 42 4 1/3-5/03 55 40 5 12/02 55 39 6 10/02 52 40 8 . Worth Going To War Not Worth Going To War No Opinion % % % 5/2-4/04 50 47 3 4/16-18/04 52 46 2 4/5-8/04 50 47 3 3/26-28/04 56 41 3 3/5-7/04 55 43 2 1/29 - 2/1/04 49 49 2 1/9-11/04 59 38 3 12/15-16/03 65 33 2 12/5-7/03 59 39 2 11/14-16/03 56 42 2 11/3-5/03 54 44 2 10/24-26/03 54 44 2 10/6-8/03 55 44 1 9/19-21/03 50 48 2 9/8-10/03 58 40 2 8/25-26/03 63 35 2 7/25-27/03 63 34 3 7/18-20/03 63 35 2 6/27-29/03 56 42 2 4/14-16/03 73 23 4 4/9/03 76 19 5 4/7-8/03 67 30 3 3/24-25/03 68 29 3 1/3-5/03 53 42 5 . Very Well Moder- ately Well Moder- ately Badly Very Badly No Opinion % % % % % 5/2-4/04 4 33 32 30 1 4/5-8/04 5 30 31 33 1 3/5-7/04 9 46 28 15 2 11/3-5/03 4 34 34 27 1 10/6-8/03 6 36 34 24 - 9/8-10/03 6 41 31 21 1 8/25-26/03 6 44 30 19 1 7/25-27/03 10 46 28 15 1 7/18-20/03 6 48 30 15 1 6/27-29/03 5 51 29 13 2 5/30 - 6/1/03 11 59 22 7 1 CBS News/New York Times Poll. Approve Disap- prove Don't Know % % % ALL 41 52 7 Republicans 77 18 5 Democrats 15 79 6 Independents 37 53 10 Trend: 3/30 - 4/1/04 44 49 7 3/10-14/04 49 43 8 2/24-27/04 46 47 7 2/12-15/04 49 45 6 1/12-15/04 48 46 6 12/21-22/03 57 36 7 12/14-15/03 59 35 6 11/10-12/03 48 48 4 10/20-21/03 49 45 6 9/28 - 10/1/03 47 48 5 9/15-16/03 46 47 7 8/11-12/03 57 33 10 7/03 58 32 10 5/03 72 20 8 3/26-27/03 69 27 4 3/24/03 71 24 5 3/23/03 75 22 3 3/22/03 72 23 5 3/20-21/03 69 25 6 3/15-16/03 55 41 4 3/7-9/03 51 42 7 3/4-5/03 54 39 7 2/24-25/03 52 44 4 2/10-12/03 53 42 5 . Better Worse No Effect Don't Know % % % % 4/23-27/04 10 71 10 9 . Worth It Not Worth It Don't Know % % % 4/23-27/04 33 58 9 3/30 - 4/1/04 37 54 9 3/10-14/04 42 51 7 2/24-27/04 42 52 6 2/12-15/04 41 50 9 1/12-15/04 43 51 6 12/21-22/03 42 47 11 12/14-15/03 44 49 7 11/10-12/03 40 51 9 10/20-21/03 42 52 6 9/28 - 10/1/03 41 53 6 9/15-16/03 43 47 10 8/26-28/03 46 46 8 8/11-12/03 46 45 9 . Iraq was a threat to the United States that required immediate military action. Required Immediate Action Could Have Been Contained Not a Threat At All Don't Know % % % % 4/23-27/04 32 48 17 3 3/10-14/04 42 45 12 1 2/24-27/04 40 46 12 2 2/12-15/04 39 43 15 3 12/21-22/03 44 39 14 3 12/14-15/03 44 37 15 4 7/03 43 43 9 5 6/03 53 35 10 2 . Did Right Thing Should Have Stayed Out Don't Know % % % ALL 47 46 7 Republicans 80 15 5 Democrats 24 69 7 Independents 44 47 9 Trend: 3/30 - 4/1/04 55 39 6 3/10-14/04 58 37 5 2/24-27/04 54 39 7 2/12-15/04 58 37 5 12/21-22/03 62 34 4 12/14-15/03 63 31 6 . Tried Hard Enough Too Quick Don't Know % % % 4/23-27/04 34 61 5 . On Its Own Bring in the UN Don't Know % % % 4/23-27/04 17 76 7 5/03 34 61 5 . Entire Truth Hiding Something Mostly Lying Don't Know % % % % 4/23-27/04 20 56 20 4 . Has a Clear Plan Does Not Don't Know % % % 4/23-27/04 32 58 10 12/14-15/03 34 53 13 11/10-12/03 31 60 9 . Less Than 1 Year 1 to 2 Years 2 to 5 Years More Than 5 Years Don't Know % % % % % 4/23-27/04 8 27 33 25 7 . Stay as Long as It Takes Turn Over Control ASAP Don't Know % % % 4/23-27/04 46 46 8 12/14-15/03 56 35 9 11/10-12/03 49 43 8 . Increased Decreased Same Don't Know % % % % 4/23-27/04 41 18 39 2 10/20-21/03 26 21 51 2 9/15-16/03 25 17 55 3 8/26-28/03 32 19 48 1 5/03 34 15 49 2 . Yes No Don't Know % % % 4/23-27/04 39 51 10 3/30 - 4/1/04 36 47 17 9/28 - 10/1/03 43 42 15 5/03 52 38 11 4/11-13/03 53 38 9 4/2-3/03 53 34 13 3/03 45 40 15 2/03 42 42 16 9/02 51 33 16 Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Approve Disap- prove Don't Know % % % 4/21-25/04 44 48 8 4/1-4/04 40 53 7 1/6-11/04 59 37 4 9/17-22/03 52 40 8 . Right Wrong Don't Know % % % 4/21-25/04 54 37 9 4/1-4/04 57 35 8 3/17-21/04 55 39 6 2/24-29/04 60 32 8 2/11-16/04 56 39 5 1/6-11/04 65 30 5 12/19/03 - 1/4/04 62 28 10 12/15-17/03 67 26 7 10/03 60 33 7 9/03 63 31 6 7/14 - 8/5/03 63 30 7 6/20 - 7/2/03 67 24 9 4/10-16/03 74 19 7 4/8-9/03 74 19 7 4/2-7/03 72 20 8 3/28 - 4/1/03 69 25 6 3/25-27/03 74 21 5 3/23-24/03 74 21 5 3/20-22/03 71 22 7 . Very Well Fairly Well Not Too Well Not At All Well Don't Know % % % % % 4/21-25/04 12 43 26 15 4 4/1-4/04 14 43 26 13 4 3/17-21/04 16 45 26 11 2 2/11-16/04 17 46 23 11 3 1/6-11/04 22 51 18 6 3 12/19/03 - 1/4/04 23 47 18 7 5 12/15-17/03 28 47 16 6 3 10/03 16 44 25 11 4 9/03 15 47 26 9 3 7/14 - 8/5/03 19 43 24 11 3 6/20 - 7/2/03 23 52 16 5 4 4/10-16/03 61 32 3 1 3 4/8-9/03 60 32 3 3 2 4/2-7/03 55 37 3 2 3 3/25 - 4/1/03 39 46 8 2 5 . Keep Troops Bring Home Don't Know % % % 4/21-25/04 53 40 7 4/1-4/04 50 44 6 12/19/03 - 1/4/04 63 32 5 10/03 58 39 3 9/03 64 32 4 . Has a Clear Plan Doesn't Have a Clear Plan Don't Know % % % 4/21-25/04 36 54 10 4/1-4/04 32 57 11 12/03 44 45 11 10/03 35 54 11 9/03 32 58 10 . |