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2006/11/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:45327 Activity:high
11/11   Rummy, Gonzales and Tenant might be sued for "war crimes" in
        Germany:
        http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,1557842,00.html
        \_ How can an American be sued in another country?
           \_ The same way someone can be tried in the US for crimes
              they committed while outside the country (Noriega.)  Some
              countries have weird laws--I think Belgium has or had one
              of these "good luck with enforcing it" statutes that allowed
              their prosecuters to go after anyone for some kinds of crimes
              against humanity committed anywhere else.  -John
           \_ Germany claims to have "Universal Jurisdiction" over war
              crimes. If found guilty, one cannot travel to Germany
              w/o the potential of being arrested on the basis of that
              conviction. The same may be true of countries that have
              an extradition agreement w/ Germany wrt this type of
              crime. Mostly this is symbolic.
              <rant>A conviction will make the Euro-peons feel good
              about themselves and will take their minds of the fact
              that the moors are in the process of recovering what
                       \- moops
              they lost and taking more ground.</rant>
                                        \_<snore>
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New legal documents, to be filed next week with Germany's top prosecutor, will seek a criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior US civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at the US detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The plaintiffs in the case include 11 Iraqis who were prisoners at Abu Ghraib, as well as Mohammad al-Qahtani, a Saudi held at Guantanamo, whom the US has identified as the so-called "20th hijacker" and a would-be participant in the 9/11 hijackings. As TIME first reported in June 2005, Qahtani underwent a "special interrogation plan," personally approved by Rumsfeld, which the US says produced valuable intelligence. 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