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| 2006/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic] UID:45293 Activity:high |
11/9 Can anyone think of a legitimate reason for the flag to be at half-staff
today? I'm suspecting that some crybaby republican security guard did
this because of the election, but I want to know if there's *any*
other possible explanation.
\_ OP here: I was being paranoid, it's legit:
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/31709.php
A Border Patrol officer died in a car accident.
\_ What state are you in? Gov Schwarzaneggar ordered flags
to half staff when those fire fighters died in the LA wildfire
\_ The control of the Republican congress died. It's a dark dark
day out there for America. God Bless. -Republican
\_ Only plausible explanation is that a member of congress has died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff
\_ Someone confused 11/9 with 9/11? Where did you see the flag at
half-staff anyway?
half-staff anyway? A lot of times people lower the flag to
half-staff to honor some local people. That's not an appropriate
use of half-staff'ing of the US flag, but nobody is going to
complain "oh we liked so-and-so but he didn't deserve a half-staff
US flag".
\_ This is at a Federal institution (a lab), so the formal rules
should apply and should be known by whoever is resonsible for
the flag out front. This is certainly either becuase of some
obscure rule or because someone is knowingly being a little
crybaby asshole. Given the nature of the local security guards
who are the only ones here in the middle of the night, the
latter explanation is very plausible.
\_ You should follow up with this and find out. This is
highly inappropriate and the person should be fired, if
in fact this is wrt the death of the control of the congress
\_ No one is going to get fired over a half staff flag. You
can legally burn the damned thing as a matter of free
speech, you can certainly half staff it. Get over your
big self.
\_ No free speech if you're king, eh?
\_ Free speech is fine. Co-opting the tools of state to
express your free speech is unprofessional. Fire him on
that.
\_ Uh yeah right. Have you ever worked in the real
world? Short of raping his boss's boss's wife
whoever "co-opted the tools of the state" is not
going to get anyone fired. You're being ridiculous.
\_ You're being naive. People get fired for less than
this all the time.
\_ Not federal employees.
\_ Nonsense. In CA it is almost impossible to
fire someone. In order to avoid a lawsuit you
need so much documentation and efforts at
making sure it "was done right" it will take
several months, loads of paperwork and multiple
wrong doings (except theft, assault, etc) to
fire someone. Who are these 'people getting
fired for trivial nonsense all the time'?
You're full of it. And frankly, even if you
*could* get someone fired for half staffing
the flag as a sign of his personal political
distaste for the results of the election, you'd
be a complete ass for doing so.
\_ No idea but I noticed a fire station had the flag at half
mast this weekend and wondered why as well.
\_ The US flag is supposed to be lowered every evening and raised
again the next morning. So whoever's there in the middle of
the night shouldn't have anything to do with it.
\_ This flag flies 24/7 normally. Are you sure about that
rule? So you're claiming that all the flags one sees flying
at night all over the country are violating some flag rule?
I don't believe that.
I don't believe that. link:csua.org/u/hf6
\_ If flown at night, the flag is supposed to be
illuminated somehow. Otherwise it is supposed to be
taken down at sunset.
\_ Well, yes, it's illuminated(duh).
\_ Title 4, Chapter 1, #6, (a):
"It is the universal custom to display the flag only
from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary
flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect
is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if
properly illuminated during the hours of darkness."
http://www.csua.org/u/hf7 (www4.law.cornell.edu) |
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| www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/31709.php By CLAUDINE LoMONACO Tucson Citizen The US Border Patrol identified the agent who died in a rollover accident Friday night as 35-year-old David Webb. Webb died on state Route 86 when his Chevy Tahoe blew a tire and his vehicle rolled over. |
| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff When hoisting a flag that is to be displayed at half-staff, it should be hoisted to full staff for an instant, then lowered to half-staff. Likewise when it is lowered at the end of the day, it is to be hoisted to full staff for an instant, and then lowered. The original flag 'etiquette' was to fly the flag at one flag's depth from the top of the hoist. With the larger flags on shorter hoists on public buildings the practice of 'half-staff' has now commonly become to fly the flag at true 'half-staff' regardless of the size of the flag or hoist. Sovereign - from the time of announcement of the death up to and including the funeral. On the day the accession of the new Sovereign is proclaimed, it is customary to raise the flag to the top of the staff from 11 am. Chief Justice of Canada, government ministers, or a former Prime Minister: from the time of notification of death until sunset on the day of the funeral or, if there is to be a memorial service, the half-staff should take place from the time of notification of death until sunset the following day and from sunrise to sunset on the day of the memorial service. Union Cabinet Minister it is flown in Delhi and the state capitals. Governor and Chief Minister of a state or union territory it is flown in the concerned state. If the intimation of the death of any dignitary is received in the afternoon, the flag shall be flown at half-staff on the following day also at the place or places indicated above, provided the funeral has not taken place before sun-rise on that day. On the day of the funeral of a dignitary mentioned above, the flag shall be flown at half-staff at the place of the funeral. Government of India or in the case of a state, on the anniversary of formation of that state, flags are not permitted to be flown at half-staff except over the building where the body of the deceased is lying until it has been removed and that flag shall be raised to the full-staff position after the body has been removed. Observances of State mourning on the death of foreign dignitaries are governed by special instructions issued from the Ministry of Home Affairs (Home Ministry) in individual cases. However, in the event of death of either the Head of the State or Head of the Government of a foreign country, the Indian Mission accredited to that country may fly the national flag on the above mentioned days. Royal Standard, the official flag of the reigning British sovereign, which would only fly when the sovereign was in residence at the Palace (or, exceptionally, after the death of the sovereign, the flag of the next senior member of the Royal Family would be raised); otherwise, no flag would fly, and a flag would never fly at half-staff, even in times of mourning. Proclamation Day when flags are hoised to full mast, from 11am until sunset. If a flag flying day coincides with a half-mast flag flying day, the flag is flown at full mast, even though a member of the royal family may be lying dead, unless a specific command is received from the Sovereign. If more than one flag is flown on a half mast day, they must be all be flown at half mast, or not at all. The flag of a foreign nation must never be flown at half mast on UK soil unless that country has declared mourning. flag of the United States to be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States government, and others, as a mark of respect to their memory. When such an order is issued, government buildings, offices, and military bases are to fly their flags at half-staff. Since it is a generally accepted practice to fly the US flag higher than other flags (except those of other nations), private organizations and individuals usually also fly their flags at half-staff at these times, but are not required by law to do so. Governors, by law and custom of their particular state, are able to direct by Executive Order their respective state flags be flown at half-staff. Upon the order of the President, the flag is to be flown at half-staff in following circumstances: * For thirty days after the death of a current or former President. Yearly presidential proclamations also mandate that the flag be flown at half-staff on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day (December 7) and National Korean War Veterans Armistice Day (July 27). |
| www.csua.org/u/hf7 -> www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000006----000-.html Next 6 Time and occasions for display Release date: 2006-03-20 It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness. The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously. The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed. The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on New Year's Day, January 1; The flag should be displayed daily on or near the main administration building of every public institution. The flag should be displayed in or near every polling place on election days. The flag should be displayed during school days in or near every schoolhouse. |