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| 2006/11/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:45260 Activity:moderate |
11/8 FoxNews (cable) keeps showing Schwartzegenner's victory party
and not really covering the rest of the election. What's up?
\_ One red spot in an ocean of blue?
\_ I bet you think politics (or got interested) in politics
after Clinton.
\_ Actually I was interested in politics before Clinton
and then I graduated from high school and grew up.
\_ Bah. The Governator is pretty damned liberal for a republican.
A popular centrist getting elected isn't much of a story.
\_ Yet our politics are so partisan. What the Dems should learn
from this election is that being a far left/right idealoge is
a recipe for failure. Unfortunatly, with Pelosi as speaker of
the house...
\_ I can't stand Pelosi. Why give her and her nutjob status
such power? As you say, someone more moderate would be
better.
\_ Pelosi is not a nutjob, unless you define nutjob as
anyone that Rush Limbaugh doesn't like. She is actually
pretty much in the middle of the Democratic Party:
\_ Pelosi is about in the middle of the Democratic Party.
It says much about you and your extremism, that you
consider her a "nutjob".
http://www.csua.org/u/hen
\- i dont know much about pelosi but so far like her
more than i like hillary, or ALGOR ... but right now
i woudl settle for somebody who didnt torture people,
invade countries on false intelligence, appoint
partisan hacks to formerly technocratic civil
service positions, think religion has equal footing
with science as a way to understand the world,
and has some respect for article 1 and artcile 3 of the
constitution, and doesnt think governing is about
sloganeering [cut and run, change hourse midstream,
"i am a constituional orginalist" etc], drag us toward
plutocracy ... i can live with some differences on
immigration policy or afformative action etc.
\_ "But the Democratic caucus has gone so far to the
left that, hell, she's in the middle." She has a
95 ADA rating. No, she's not a moderate at all.
Maybe compared to a communist.
\_ You aren't paying attention. I did not say that
she is a moderate: there are almost no moderates
left, in either party. I am saying that she is
about in the middle of the Democratic Party.
She is as far left as Frist or Hastert are Right.
Do you call these two gentlemen "nutjobs"?
http://www.csua.org/u/heu
\_ Being in the middle of a bunch of ultra leftists
does make her an ultra leftist nutjob.
\_ So you think anyone who doesn't want to suck
George Bush's dick and lick Bill O'Reilly's
ass is a leftist extremist or "ultra leftist"
or whatever it is you want to call us?
\_ isn't an ultra-leftist a communist?
\_ no. not necessarily.
they are self-evidently not communists.
\_ not in name.
ergo they are not ultra leftists.
\_ no. not necessarily.
ergo ppp is a moron.
\_ work on your logic and reading comp.
\_ I actually feel sorry for Lincon Chaffe...
\_ don't. the senate GOP has been voting like robots, and
chafee was never the difference. |
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| www.csua.org/u/hen -> nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=Njk5NTU2YmEwMTRiODZhZTZmNjliNGJlMjcwYjNmMTk= POLITICS The Death of the Moderate Democrat And the birth of the netroots party BYRON YORK The scene is one of those Washington cocktail parties so hated by left-wing netroots activists a gathering where politicians and pundits and inside-the-Beltway types meet to gossip, conspire, make deals, and generally sink farther into their morass of inside-the-Beltway corruption. One prominent member of Congress says to a prominent political analyst: You know, if you think about it, Nancy Pelosi is pretty close to the center of the House Democratic caucus. It seems hard to believe, given that Pelosi, the Minority Leader, is a true-blue San Francisco liberal with a near-perfect 95 rating from the left-wing Americans for Democratic Action. But the analyst starts thinking, starts envisioning the House Democratic lineup, beginning on the left with the Black Caucus, and then the Hispanic Caucus, and then the white lefties, and then Pelosi. In that cast of characters, the congresswoman from San Francisco seems almost, well, centrist. That doesnt mean shes a moderate, the analyst says, recalling the conversation at the party. But the Democratic caucus has gone so far to the left that, hell, shes in the middle. Theres been much talk in Washington recently about the fate of moderate Democrats. These days, Nancy Pelosi is a moderate Democrat if that is defined as standing near the center of the partys ideological spectrum. But the truly moderate Democrat the type of centrist that has been so maligned by the left-wing blogosphere is pretty much a thing of the past. Americans for Democratic Action rates House members on a scale from 0 to 100 based on how they have voted on issues important to various liberal constituencies. In 1985, when there were 253 Democrats in the House, 20 were ADA All-Stars that is, they had perfect scores of 100. In 2005, when there were 202 Democrats in the House, there were 65 All-Stars. An astonishing 143 about 71 percent of the Democratic caucus had scores of 90 or above. By way of comparison, in 1985, when there were 182 Republicans in the House, nine had perfect 100 conservative scores as measured by the American Conservative Union. In 2005, when there were 232 Republicans in the House, 38 of them had perfect ACU scores. A total of 126 about 55 percent of the Republican caucus had conservative scores of 90 or above. The numbers are similar in todays Senate, where 22 of 45 Democrats have received the ADAs most liberal rating. Forty Democratic senators about 90 percent of the Democratic caucus have ADA ratings of 90 or above. By contrast, out of the Senates 55 Republicans, only twelve have received the ACUs highest mark. A total of 34 Republicans about 62 percent of the Republican caucus have ACU ratings of 90 or above. The numbers are by no means scientific, and there are some differences in the ADA and ACU ratings systems. But as rough guides to party positioning, the ratings especially each sides ratings of its own team measure how well lawmakers satisfy the expectations of interest groups on the left and right. These numbers suggest that, while neither the House nor the Senate is a hotbed of centrism, Democrats in recent years have moved farther to the left than Republicans have to the right. Today, after years of drifting leftward, Democrats face a dilemma. They are the target of an angry, energized netroots movement that considers the mainstream Democratic party too centrist, too accommodating to Republicans, and insufficiently progressive for todays politics. The farther Democrats move to the left, the farther their most passionate constituents prod them along. To read this article in full, you need to be logged in as an NR / Digital subscriber. You will be automatically redirected to this article after successfully logging in below. Just enter your account number below and hit the submit button. Account number: Example mailing label (Your mailing label should look similar to the sample shown above. The sample account number is shown highlighted in yellow. |
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