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        \_ It's not a good year to be a hypocritical social conservative
        \_ I looked into this a bit.  At this point there's a guy who says he
           was getting paid to have sex with "Pastor Ted" for 3 years and
           claims to have incriminating voice mail and emails but refuses to
           show anything to anyone.  It may be entirely true but I'm really
           bored with unsubstantiated allegations being tossed around to
           destroy people's lives without so much as a "and here's a single
           voice mail that shows it, and I have more".  But oh boy, he did
           say he'd take a lie detector test which are known to be worthless.
           He wouldn't need the useless lie detector test if he actually
           revealed any of his voice mails.  It's all very fishy and annoying.
        \_ It's not a good year to be a hypocritical social conservative.  Yes,
           yes, accusation != conviction.
           \_ In politics accusation == conviction.
              \_ But he's not a politican, he's a pastor... ah right... same
                 things these days.  Go go, United States of Megachurch!
                 \_ If it wasn't politically OP wouldn't have called him a
                    social conservative instead of a pastor.
                 \_ "these days" as opposed to what 8 whole years ago? The
                     trend in the nation is away from church doctrine and has
                     been since at least the scopes trial.  If you think
                     otherwise, you are delusional. -an agnostic.
                     \_ And if you haven't been paying attention to the new
                        trends in who holds the reins on morality and what
                        they're saying, you've been under a rock the last 10
                        years.
                        \_ The reins of morality have always been held by the
                           same people.  What has changed?
        \_ The sad thing is, no matter which way this pans out, it'll be bad for
           gays:  accuser is lying    -> "look at the horrible gay agenda!"
                  accuser is truthful -> "look at how they corrupted a good,
                                          good man!"
        \_ Well at least they weren't married.
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Ted Haggard, a married father of five who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, denied the allegations. His accuser refused to share with The Associated Press voice mails that he said backed up his claim. Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations." "I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity," Haggard said in a written statement. "I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date." He also told KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife." The acting senior pastor at New Life, Ross Parsley, told KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs that Haggard admitted that some of the accusations were true, but Parsley did not elaborate. A telephone number for Parsley could not be found late Thursday. The allegations come as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples. Mike Jones, 49, of Denver told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage. "It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group. Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience. Haggard and his attorney, Martin Nussbaum, did not return calls Thursday night from the AP. Jones said he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard. He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week. Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash. KUSA-TV reported excerpts from some of the alleged voice mails late Thursday. "Hi Mike, this is Art," one call began, according to the station. "Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. A second message, left a few hours later, began: "Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I'll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever." "There's some stuff on there (the voice mails) that's pretty damning," he said. Haggard, who is about 50, was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado's gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot. At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children. "Homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly condemned in the Scriptures," the evangelicals association says on its Web site. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin that "brings grave consequences in this life and excludes one from the Kingdom of God." Haggard's resignation from the NAE seems unlikely to do lasting damage to the organization, an umbrella group for a diverse and independent-minded membership. At his own church, Haggard's decision to step aside -- if it became permanent -- would have a more profound effect. "One would hope and pray that this matter would be resolved expeditiously and quickly and he can be restored back to being the pastor of the church and the leader of the NAE," said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative Washington think tank. New Life Church member Brooks DeMio, 44, said he thinks Jones is a liar and can't believe Haggard would engage in sex with a man. "He loves the Lord, homosexuality is a sin and that's not Ted," DeMio said. "His desire is to serve other people and uphold the word of God. I don't know him well enough to give a complete character description, but I know him enough to know it's not true." Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church and the pastor's niece, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. The board has the authority to discipline Haggard, including removing him from ministry work. "This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we're prepared," Carolyn Haggard said. "The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.