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11/01 Good lord, the flubbed Kerry joke is the front page story on every
single news site. You'd think he was running for something.
\_ I think this video puts the whole matter in perspective:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CD-SC-KerryJoke.mov
\_ October Surprise!!!
\_ well, except nytimes, cbsnews, and latimes
\_ obLIBERALMEDIA
\_ Did you actually check nytimes,latimes and cbsnews or do you just
\_ Did you actually check nytimes, latimes and cbsnews or do you just
like spreading lies?
\_ when it's "the" front page story, I interpreted this to
mean the lead story. washingtonpost, abcnews, msnbc all
had this as the lead. ok, I should have made this clear.
\_ Here is something I don't understand. What is so offensive about
this joke? It is a bit edgy because it has a lot of truth in it.
Further, you would think combat veteran like Kerry is immued from
this attack. Instead, those draft dogers are the one who is
launching the attack
\_ Some political pundit pointed out before the 2004 elections:
"By the time Karl Rove gets done with John Kerry, people won't
even know which side he fought on".
\_ What is the truth you think is in it?
\_ For one thing, no matter how patriotic or idealistic you
are, joining a military stuck in a murderous quagmire with
no clear mission, mounting casualties and farm-league
leadership verges on the suicidally insane. For another,
recruiters tend to focus on lower-income and less educated
individuals and frequently extol the military as a way to get
ahead--something that would appeal more to someone with less
chance of academic/professional success. Or to put it this
way, I don't think the army's attracting the intelligentsia
right now. And what below poster says. It's a non-issue,
albeit a poorly considered statement, and one that the
attack dogs can get their filthy teeth around to distract
from the real topics up for discussion. -John
\_ The military doesn't target lower intelligence morons.
They target smart people from lower income brackets who
can use the military to get ahead. Dumb people are not
going to get anything but 3 squares and a cot from a few
years of military service.
\_ link:tinyurl.com/ym5awa - danh
\_ what are you smoking? do you know almost 1/3 of
Army personnel didn't graduate from high school.
\_ duh. what are *you* smoking? _READ_ what I said.
Less educated != dumb! And from reading the motd it
is clear that educated != smart, too.
\_ The military actually won't take you if you score
too low on the IQ tests. They tend to target third
and fourth quartile (by IQ) individuals, but they
don't want actually stupid people, just average
ones that will follow orders. -a Vet
\_ That was then, this is now. With recruiting
efforts failing the army has drastically reduced
the testing requirements.
\_ Is this still the case in the face of more
agressive recruiting efforts ?
\_ Not really that much:
http://www.csua.org/u/hct
Even the Army will not take you if you
below the 26th percentile and they try
really hard to only take those above the
31st. They are taking more high school
droupout, but those actually have to
dropouts, but those actually have to
score above 50%.
\_ So despite the statistics that prove you wrong, you believe
the idea that you have to be a dumb-ass to be in the
military? I'm starting to think it wasn't a botched joke,
but what Kerry really believes.
\_ You're starting to believe this because of some motd
ramblings? You're a pretty easily led person.
\_ The conservative media can finally rally around something that takes
the heat off of the Republicans.
\_ Who is the conservative media? Would that be CD? DVD? 78s? |
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| www.csua.org/u/hct -> usmilitary.about.com/cs/genjoin/a/asvabminimum.htm Armed Forces Vocational Apptitude Battery (ASVAB) score requirements, and education levels needed to qualify for enlistment. Air Force * ASVAB Score - Air Force recruits must score at least 36 points the 99-point ASVAB (Note: The "Overall" ASVAB Score is known as the "AFQT Score," or "Armed Forces Qualification Test Score"). Exceptions are made, however, for a handful of high school graduates who can score as low as 21. But these "category four- A" recruits (by regulation) cannot exceed more than one percent of all recruits per year. In actuality, the number of Cat IVA recruits the Air Force generally accepts each year is about 01 percent of the Air Force's annual accessions. Education - You're more likely to be struck by lightening than enlist in the Air Force without a high school diploma. Only about 1/2 of a percent of all Air Force enlistments each year are GED-Holders. To even be considered for one of these very few slots, a GED-holder must score a minimum of 65 on the AFQT. higher enlistment rank for recruits with college credit. Army * ASVAB Score - The Army requires a minimum AFQT Score of 31 to qualify for enlistment. However, in recent months, the Army has been approving more and more waivers for those with scores as low as 26 (Category IVA). To qualify for certain enlistment incentives, such as enlistment bonuses, an Army recruit must score a minimum of 50. Education - Those without a high school education need not apply. The Army allows no more than 10 to 15 percent per year of their enlistees to have a GED. To even be considered, a high school dropout (GED) must score at least a 50 on the AFQT. Unlike the Air Force, where the maximum initial enlistment rank for college credits is E-3, the Army offers the rank of E-4 for those with a bachelors degree. Marine Corps * ASVAB Score - Marine Corps recruits must score at least 32. A very few exceptions are made (about one percent) for some exceptionally otherwise qualified recruits with scores as low as 25. Education - As with the Army and Air Force, those without a high school education are ineligible. The Marine Corps limits GED enlistments to no more than five percent per year. Those with a GED must score a minimum of 50 on the AFQT to even be considered. However, of all the services, the Marines are the most restrictive in this area. The maximum advanced rank for college credits is E-2, where the other services will give college credit advanced rank up to E-3 (E-4 in the Army). Navy * ASVAB Score - Navy recruits must score at least 35 on the AFQT. The Navy raised this requirement from 31 in 2003 for active duty accessions. Reserve enlistment programs still only require a score of 31. Additionally, because of limited berths on ships, the Navy limits the number of women they can enlist each year. Quite often, when there are too many female applicants, the Navy will require a higher ASVAB score for females in order to decide which women get to enlist and which don't. Education - Between 5 and 10 percent per year can be high school dropouts with a GED, but they must score a minimum of 50 on the AFQT. Additionally, high school dropouts must be at least 19 years of age, and show a proven work history. Coast Guard * ASVAB Score - The Coast Guard requires a minimum of 40 points on the AFQT for those who took the ASVAB prior to July 1, 2004, and 36 for those who take the ASVAB after July 1, 2004. A waiver is possible if a recruit's ASVAB Line Scores qualify them for a specific job, and the recruit is willing to enlist in that job. Education - For a very few (about 5 percent) who will be allowed to enlist with a GED, the minimum AFQT. The CG offers advanced enlistment rank of E-2 for 30 college credits, and E-3 for 60 credits. Note: Recruits (for any of the services) with at least 15 college credits fall into the Tier I enlistment education category and must score the same as high-school diploma holders, and are not subject to the accession percentages discussed above. |