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11/01 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html John Kerry: "I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended" \_ Too little, too late, damage done. Even the original joke was stupid. Resorting to personal attack for political gain shows the weakness in one's own ideas. Leno should be making jokes like that. Kerry is no Leno. \_ Ahh, so he should have apologized, unless he apologized, in which case apologies don't matter. \_ Try again. "Too little, too late". It's right there only a few lines up. At least *try* to respond to what was actually said instead of making something up to reply to. \_ this was a type of macaca or RAAAWWWRRR mistake - an inadequate level of appreciation of a flub getting amplified by your enemies even though you made the flub in a friendly environment or that it was innocently dumb. \_ Had he said this right away, this would be over now. \_ No it wouldn't. \_ yes it would. no it wouldn't. yes it would. whatever. \_ Had the clip been played in context, it never would have started. \_ It's politics. boo hoo. Don't make jokes if you're not funny. \_ It's attitudes like this that are why this country is fucked. \_ Yes the country was great and lollipops fell from trees prior to 1994. Kerry was stupid. He got caught being stupid no different than Allen's 'macaca' idiocy and he's paying the price. Were you around defending poor Allen on the false charges of racism a few weeks ago? No. Thanks for playing. \_ Allen's comment was given full context. And his meaning was very clear. He _is_ a racist fuck. Kerry's comment in context shows his meaning clearly as well. You think he was calling the troops "stupid". You're wrong. \_ I read Allen's full comment. There is no context beyond the one line and noting the guy has been following his campaign around. And? What is the context that makes it clear he is racist? \_ He's Republican. QED. -liberal \_ Sorry, I forgot that anyone who disagrees with your agenda is racist. \_ You are replying to a sarcastic troll. \_ It's the motd. There's no one else here. \_ Context or no, Allen's comment was racist. It's basically the French-african way of caling the opposition staffer 'nigger'. \_ That's basically the same as saying "Context or no, Kerry statement was insulting to the troops." \_ OK, you got me, I phrased that poorly. Read: The context of Allen's statement has no mitigating effect on the content of his statement. Using the word 'macaca' in a duscussion about racism is a mitigating context, using it to describe an Indian person is not. \_ I think the mitigating factor is that prior to this little incident many Indians didn't even know about this wacist even know about this racist slur. And after finding out, it is still a big whatever. -Indian \_ Racist! \_ Mitigating in what way? In that many Indians didn't realize he was using a racist slur? How does that mitigate the racist slur? I mean, I'd understand if that didn't rile anyone up in a bar, but at a political rally? \_ You are a flubarax!!!!!! Oh wait, flubarax doesn't mean a damned thing. Or maybe it is the most offensive racist slur possible in the Belgian Congo during the 1750s? Are you offended? \_ Of course not. Your made-up word has no cultural context as a racial slur, or, more to the point, no such context that you are aware of. "Macaca," however, is a racial slur in a cultural context that Allen was aware of. \_ Macaca meant nothing to anyone until someone found some obscure slang from the colonial era. You have absolutely no evidence Allen was aware of that meaning. I have yet to see a link showing what it meant and why he might have known that. The link from yesterday was about the Belgian Congo which Allen has absolutely no relation to. Flubarax! \_ Belgium, man, Belgium! \_ You didn't look very hard, if at all: http://www.csua.org/u/hcv \_ If a tree falls in the woods and no one cares I guess the tree huggers feelings still get hurt. Like I said this is a big Whatever. -Indian \_ Don't you think there are better things we could be spending time on? \_ Absolutely not. Start your own thread if you want. I'm entertained, sorry if you're not. \_ How are they false? I think Allen is guilty of thinking everyone is stupid. He happens to use the French Tunisian word for "nigger", his mother is from French Tunisia, and then he tells everyone he made the word up on the spot? - danh \_ The 'macaca' guy wasn't black. Oops. \_ Don't you think there are better things we could be spending time on? \_ The term refers to those with dark skin. \_ URL, please. I don't have my French Tunisian slang dictionary handy. \_ You don't need a dictionary to equate a French Tunisian word for "darkie" to anyone with dark skin. But hey, because _you_ probably do, here's a Wikipedia article on "macaca." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_%28slur%29 \_ See, I don't know if I buy this. I don't really care about Allen, maybe he is a racist, I don't know. But the argument that "X's mother probably knew Y, so X must know Y" is pretty weak. \_ Considering Allen's history I don't think it's a weak at all. The man is a racist prick. Not because he's a republican, but because he's a racist prick. \_ So, what's his history that suggests he's racist? -clueless \_ angry motd liberal said so. \_ He used to routinely called Blacks "n*ggers" in college, amongst other things. \_ Bzzzt. Sorry, Swift Boat style attacks aren't going to cut it. \_ I heard this first on John Ziegler's show out of KFI. He had \_ Actually, 2004 showed us that GOP style campaigning works. I am glad to see the Democrats embrace the Karl Rove style of smear politics. Have a little fire, scarecrow! http://salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/24/allen_football \_ I heard this first on John Ziegler's show of of KFI. He had heard only that soundbite on a local news station. It was in the context he heard. Given the number of groans from the audience, I don't think it was clarified by context. -emarkp \_ If Kerry was really insulting the intelligence of people in the military then he was insulting himself. \_ Kerry is in the military? Which branch and what unit? \_ hi idiot \_ hi humorless clown. \_ Kerry's Non-Apology Not Accepted (by Freepers) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730262/posts \_ That's because they're neanderthal cretins. \_ duh, they only quoted the first half of the compound sentence. It's two parts: (a) regret for being misinterpreted, and (b) apology to people who were offended \_ Jesus fucking christ, is there nothing more important on the electoral agenda than a non-candidate making a badly timed and ill-considered joke? That's like a shitbag like Mark Foley getting nailed over harassing pages rather than anything of substance, or starting a national crisis over a cigar dildo. Have American politics come to this? I think I'm leaving for Chile again. -John \_ This is important because only ~2 years ago this was the guy his party put up to represent them as their best candidate to run the entire country for the next 4-8 years. His 'flubbed joke' shows a lack of basic brain power and wisdom that reflects on his supporters and those like him. If it was a nobody like Murtha, who gets some press time but is otherwise nobody, then it would've had about 4 hours of news cycle time, if that. \_ I am pissed at John Kerry. He need to learn how to shut the fuck up. I will let Bill Clinton have another BJ over this guy anyday. |
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| www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html Most Popular Kerry apologizes for 'misinterpreted' words Story Highlights NEW: White House says Sen. John Kerry's apology late but "right thing to do" Kerry issues statement apologizing for "verbal slip" Dick Cheney is set to say in a speech Kerry needs to learn troops are smart GOP slams Kerry for telling students to study or "get stuck in Iraq" Adjust font size: Decrease font Decrease font Enlarge font Enlarge font WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry apologized Wednesday for a "poorly stated joke," which the Massachusetts senator says was aimed at the president but was widely perceived as a slam on US troops. "I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended," he said in a written statement. In the statement, the four-term senator continued to assert that the GOP was using the gaffe to distract voters from its own shortcomings. "It is clear the Republican Party would rather talk about anything but their failed security policy," he said. "I don't want my verbal slip to be a diversion from the real issues. I will continue to fight for a change of course to provide real security for our country, and a winning strategy for our troops." The White House quickly issued a response, saying, "Sen. Kerry's apology to the troops for his insulting comments came late, but it was the right thing to do." Kerry canceled plans to campaign for fellow Democrats after the GOP began hammering him over his comments to college students about getting "stuck in Iraq." President Bush's 2004 presidential rival -- who told a radio host Wednesday he was sorry for what he called a "botched joke" -- will not appear with Democratic US Senate candidate Bob Casey on Wednesday in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a Democratic official said. "I would be surprised if you see him welcomed out there anywhere," the official said, "and certainly not in a race that is meaningful." Strategists at both the Democratic House and Senate campaign committees told their candidates the flap is a distraction they don't need right now. com: John Kerry, still one step behind external link ) The Democratic official said the issue doesn't appear to change any races, but it may attract more GOP supporters in tight Senate contests in Missouri and Tennessee. GOP plays offense Kerry's comments provide an opportunity for Republicans to go on the offensive on national security issues -- a winning GOP strategy in 2002 and 2004 that has been blunted by the increasingly violent situation in Iraq. The Republican National Committee took advantage of the Kerry gaffe with an ad featuring the text of quotes from Maj Gen. A video clip of Kerry's remarks follows, then the caption, "John Kerry should apologize. Kerry made the comment Monday to students at Pasadena City College in California. He said: "You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. Video ) A Kerry aide said the senator was supposed to say, "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? Appearing Wednesday on radio host Don Imus' program, "Imus in the Morning," Kerry said, "I'm going back to Washington. Video ) "Of course, I'm sorry about a botched joke," he added. "They shouldn't be allowed to do that," the Massachusetts lawmaker said. "I'm not going to let these guys lie and smear, and they put their whole machine out to do it, and they ought to apologize." But White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said the onus was on Kerry to issue an apology, and he rejected the notion that Kerry's remarks to Imus constituted one. "You and I and everybody in this room have said things that we didn't intend to say," Snow said at a press briefing Wednesday. Snow said Kerry was "insistent on pointing fingers at the president" and that the senator's remarks did not appear to be in jest. "If you listen to the tone of voice in which he said them, it's hard to construe them as a joke. It didn't sound like he was trying to make funnies," he said. Cheney set to enter fray Kerry's office said two House campaign appearances also have been canceled -- by mutual decision -- so as not to "allow the Republican hate machine to use Democratic candidates as their proxies in their distorted spin war in which once again they're willing to exploit brave American troops." A Kerry aide said the senator wouldn't go to Minnesota for Democrat Tim Walz, who is trying to unseat Rep. Gil Gutknecht, R-Minnesota, and congressional candidate Bruce Braley of Iowa announced that Kerry would not appear with him either. Republicans unleashed a firestorm of criticism against Kerry after the Vietnam veteran's remarks. Vice President Dick Cheney will enter the fray Wednesday night during a speech in Montana. The White House released the portion of Cheney's speech pertaining to Kerry. "John Kerry needs to learn that the men and women serving in Iraq aren't there because they didn't study hard or do their homework," Cheney is set to say. "They're smart, patriotic, exceptionally well-trained and dedicated to their mission. They are heroes, and they are the pride of the United States of America." On Tuesday, Bush joined many GOP lawmakers -- including House Majority Leader John Boehner and McCain, a former prisoner of war -- in blasting Kerry. Video ) "The senator's suggestion that the men and women of our military are somehow uneducated is insulting and shameful," Bush said. "The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer armed forces are plenty smart and are serving because they are patriots -- and Sen. Bush will not face voters again, and Kerry isn't up for re-election this year. A number of top Democrats said they, too, were upset with the senator for giving the Republicans election-time ammunition -- even if the GOP was hyping the remark. A top Democratic strategist said Tuesday that Kerry "already cost us one election" and should "keep his mouth shut." Democratic candidate Jon Tester, who is in a tight race against Sen. Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid. Max Cleland of Georgia defended Kerry's record of fighting for veterans and applauded the senator for showing "our party how to fight back with the truth." Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, also defended Kerry, telling reporters Wednesday in Burlington, Vermont, "Kerry made a blooper. CNN's John King and Andrea Koppel contributed to this report. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
| www.csua.org/u/hcv -> www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/08/16/allen/index_np.html Letters Stepping in "macaca" With his Confederate-flag-draped past, Sen. George Allen is in trouble for using a term for monkeys -- and a racial slur elsewhere in the world -- to ridicule a dark-skinned man at a campaign rally. SR Sidarth (left) and George Allen On the campaign trail, Sen. He'll do nearly a half dozen stump speeches a day, shake a few hundred hands, and be ready for more. With his stiff boots and square sideburns, he comes off as easygoing. He'll talk about the "real America," the one without homosexuals, movie moguls or Ivy League professors who want to ban guns and burn flags. He'll talk about an America where people have "values" and don't run away from the terrorists when the fighting gets tough. At his best, he begins to inhabit a symbolic fantasyland, becoming the lead cavalryman in a two-century-old culture war between North and South, city and countryside, the New York Times and the local church. He becomes a walking, talking American flag with a clear shot for the White House in 2008. There's something happening here A new protest movement inside the military -- including active-duty soldiers back from Iraq -- is calling on Congress to end the war immediately. Confessions of an Ohio poll worker I went through the training -- twice -- and I'm still confused. I hope I can figure it all out by Election Day because I'm a precinct judge. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. SALON is registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon Media Group Inc. |
| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_%28slur%29 Allen's mother, born Henrietta Lumbroso, is of French Tunisian descent and some have suggested that she may have learned the pejorative during her childhood and introduced it to her son. On October 4, a field organizer for Virginia Democratic congressional candidate Al Weed resigned after it was discovered that she referred to Allen, who is Jewish, as "Macacawitz" in an e-mail to supporters. Appearing on Meet the Press, Allen apologized for that statement and asserted that he in no way intended those words to be offensive. |
| salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/24/allen_football -> www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/24/allen_football/ Letters Teammates: Allen used "N-word" in college Three members of Sen. George Allen's college football team remember a man with racist attitudes at ease using racial slurs. George Allen say that the Virginia Republican repeatedly used an inflammatory racial epithet and demonstrated racist attitudes toward blacks during the early 1970s. "Allen said he came to Virginia because he wanted to play football in a place where 'blacks knew their place,'" said Dr. Ken Shelton, a white radiologist in North Carolina who played tight end for the University of Virginia football team when Allen was quarterback. A second white teammate, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared retribution from the Allen campaign, separately claimed that Allen used the word "nigger" to describe blacks. "It was so common with George when he was among his white friends. A third white teammate contacted separately, who also spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of being attacked by the Virginia senator, said he too remembers Allen using the word "nigger," though he said he could not recall a specific conversation in which Allen used the term. "My impression of him was that he was a racist," the third teammate said. Shelton also told Salon that the future senator gave him the nickname "Wizard," because he shared a last name with Robert Shelton, who served in the 1960s as the imperial wizard of the United Klans of America, a group affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan. The radiologist said he decided earlier this year that he would go public with his concerns about Allen if a reporter ever called. About four months ago, when he heard that Allen was a possible candidate for president in 2008, Shelton began to write down some of the negative memories of his former teammate. On Sunday morning, Salon spoke with David Snepp, a spokesman for Allen's Senate office, to ask for a response to the recollections of the three former teammates. E-mail and phone messages were also left for Bill Bozin, a spokesman for the Allen campaign, and Dick Wadhams, the campaign manager. Though Snepp indicated that the campaign, and probably Wadhams, would respond, eight hours later no one in the Allen camp had replied to Salon. Chris LaCivita, a consultant to the Allen campaign, hung up when a Salon reporter reached him midafternoon Sunday. Additional attempts to contact the campaign were unsuccessful. Last month, Allen was videotaped calling an Indian-American college student "macaca," an obscure word for monkey that is also used as a racial epithet in some parts of the world. Allen has since apologized to the student, saying that he made up the word, and did not know its other meanings. Last week, Allen again created controversy by appearing offended when a reporter asked about the Jewish lineage in his mother's family, which he has since acknowledged. Allen has also faced questions about his affinity for the Confederate flag, which he wore as a pin in a high school yearbook photo and exhibited in his home in Virginia. In public statements, Allen has said that he realized later in life that the Confederate flag was a symbol of violence for black Americans, and he has expressed some regret. "There are a lot of things that I wish I had learned earlier in life," Allen said in an appearance this month on NBC's "Meet the Press." But Allen has maintained that he never harbored any discriminatory attitudes toward blacks. "Even if your heart is pure, the things you say and do and the symbols you use matter because of how others may take them," he said in the prepared transcript for remarks to a luncheon with black educators on Sept. Over the past week, Salon has interviewed 19 former teammates and college friends of Allen from the University of Virginia. In addition to the three who said Allen used the word "nigger," two others who were contacted said they remember being bothered by Allen's displaying the Confederate flag in college, but said they do not remember him acting in an overtly racist manner. Seven others said they did not know Allen well outside the football team, but do not remember Allen demonstrating any racist feelings. A separate seven teammates and friends said they knew Allen well and did not believe he held racist views. "I don't believe he was insensitive," said Paul Ryczek, who played center in Allen's year before joining the Atlanta Falcons. In the interviews, old teammates generally spoke of him highly, as a good friend, a bright and ambitious student, and a colorful character who embraced Southern culture, listened to country music, and attracted the nickname "Neck," as in redneck. "If a black guy dropped a pass, he would say something to him," said Gerard Mullins, who played defensive back in Allen's year. It really didn't matter where you were from, who you were, or anything." The three former teammates, however, painted a very different picture of Allen when he was around his white friends. Shelton said he feels a personal responsibility to tell what he knows about Allen's past, especially now that Allen has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate. "I got to know Allen a little too well," Shelton said, adding that he does not believe Allen should hold elective office. Shelton said no political animosity has driven his decision to speak out. He has switched between Democratic and independent registration in recent elections, he said, and does not consider himself politically active. Four years ago, Shelton and his wife donated $1,000 to Sam Neill, the Democratic challenger to Rep. Charles Taylor, R-NC, because Shelton said they knew Neill and were upset by the allegations of corruption against Taylor, who was reelected. In February, Shelton supported Rick Davis, a current Republican candidate for sheriff, and penned a letter to the editor in the Hendersonville Times-News backing Davis' campaign. Shelton says he does not know much about Allen's political ideology and says he hasn't spoken to him in about 30 years. There's something happening here A new protest movement inside the military -- including active-duty soldiers back from Iraq -- is calling on Congress to end the war immediately. Confessions of an Ohio poll worker I went through the training -- twice -- and I'm still confused. I hope I can figure it all out by Election Day because I'm a precinct judge. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. SALON is registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon Media Group Inc. |
| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730262/posts org ) has issued the following statement rejecting the non-apology by Senator John Kerry for his comments belittling the intelligence of US Troops in Iraq. STATEMENT BY MELANIE MORGAN, CHAIR - MOVE AMERICA FORWARD "Your non-apology is not accepted, Senator Kerry. He has sunk to a new low by managing to insult the American people and members of the United States military in his issuance of a non-apology. Rather then apologizing for the hurtful words he used, he instead says he regrets that his words were misinterpreted? Source: Kerry statement, "I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted " "So apparently it is the fault of the American public, news media and the men and women of the United States Military for not being smart enough to understand what Senator Kerry meant to say? He has a long history of name-calling, and now he refuses to apologize for his conduct. View Replies To: Impeach98 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: How do you spell Kerry? Please enjoy this photo taken today by our brave soldiers in Iraq! View Replies To: Impeach98 Liberals CANNOT APOLOGIZE IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO ASSESS THEIR ACTIONS AND SAY THEY WERE WRONG, so instead we get more insulting behavior wrapped in what he THINKS is an apology. just like this caseKerry wasn't SORRY for what he SAID - just SORRY HE WAS TAKEN TO TASK ON SAYING IT! View Replies To: Impeach98 "So apparently it is the fault of the American public, news media and the men and women of the United States Military for not being smart enough to understand what Senator Kerry meant to say? BWAHAHAHA----exactly what I thought when I first heard the non-apology. View Replies To: gogeo "First he insulted the troop's intelligence. Hello, That is exactly what I thought the moment I heard the text of what Fox News is now calling an "apologetic statement". View Replies To: Howlin Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Fox News (John Gibson) is interviewing Mitt Romney about this and Romney says this isn't really an apology and it's two days too late, and all the while Romney is talking they are showing on the split screen pictures of Kerry as an anti-war protester! View Replies To: Impeach98 Meanwhile maybe we should have a running list of the Beltway commentators that seem to have no problem with endorsing Kerry's view that we're all idiots that will gulp up an insulting nonapology apology. I doubt it helps him in his (doomed) bid for the White House, but besides from being the right thing to do, it probably helps the Dems. My guess is he still won't be invited by a lot of candidates in the next week. It's what Kerry should have said from the beginning, if he hadn't been trying to apply the wrong-headed "always attack your detractors venomously" lesson of 2004. View Replies To: Impeach98 John Kerry: "I'm not going to apologize, you see, because I couldn't control myself when I said those things about our military. He's been sending those thoughts into my brain, and there's nothing I can do to stop him. All I just showed my 11 year-old son the original clip of Kerry's "you get stuck in Iraq" insult. He said, "well that explains Forrest Gump, but it's really mean." I know I'm a proud mom, but I think my 11 year-old son has more brains than John Kerry! View Replies To: Impeach98 postelectionwork "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. TNS_Dustjacket (John F'n Kerry--1971) snake A Snake sheds its skin on a regular basis. However, when the Snake's skin re-grows, its still a "Snake." John "The Snake" Kerry speak with "forked tongue" A little Indian Lingo, and being 1/4 Mohawk, I'm Allowed. last Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. |