10/25   I have a friend who's going to Hawaii for honeymoon and they have
        5 days planned for Maui.  She'd really like to not rent a car but
        her frugal side also won't pay 80+ dollars per person per day for
        van tours.  Anyone know of any tours that are significantly cheaper
        or other alternatives?  Thanks.
        \_ Don't have an answer but what are some of the advantages of
           the different islands? I'm Hawaii dumb.
        \_ No car in Oahu, smart.
           No car in Maui, stupid. REALLY stupid.
           Tours... ugh, if you like being herded like a cattle, sure
           there are lots of them out there.
        \_ Your friend should go rent a car.  They are totally missing out
           if all they do is take stupid van tours which will cost way way
           more than renting a car anyway.  While there, they should go see
           the guy doing the magic show in town.  I can't remember his name
           or where it was but he's the only guy with a magic show on the
           island.  And yes, it will cost her a few bucks to get in the show.
           \_ The Magic of Polynesia with John Hirokawa is on the island
              of Oahu. Can you say OH-AH-HU? Oahu is not Maui. Oahu inhabits
              80% of the Hawaiians and is a great place to piss off newly
              weds. It raises blood pressure for new husbands who have to
              deal with their materialistic wives loves to shop at the mega
              Westfield, Gucci, Luis Vuitton, Tiffany, and exact same stores
              one could find at the mainland. If you have a materialistic
              wife and want to raise some blood pressure, go to Oahu.
              What are we talking about? Oh, the magic show. You're getting
              Oahu and Maui confused, you dumb fuck.
              \_ Hi!  Since I've been to Maui and never been to Oahu and the
                 guy I saw was definitely not Hirokawa, maybe you'd like to
                 come back and apologise for being such a complete asshole.
                 No, don't bother, your apology isn't worth anything anyway.
              \_ Here is the magic show I saw on MAUI, not OH-AH-HU.
                 http://www.warrenandannabelles.com
                 And amazingly, the site actually says the show is on MAUI,
                 and not OH-AH-HU.  How odd is that?  But being a dumb fuck
                 I was probably on OH-AH-HU and not MAUI so what would I know?
                 http://www.warrenandannabelles.com show was awesome.
        \_ Doesn't answer your question, but if they rent a car there are
           some really spectacular trips, like the Hana highway, the
           North circuit or up to Haleakala to watch the sunrise.  If they
           go around the South, they'll want a 4x4 though.  Seems like
           kind of a shame to miss this stuff to save a few bucks.  -John
           \- jeeze, it's a honeymoon which means 1. you have two people to
              split the costs over [or would have to buy two tickets in per
              person stuff] 2. you'ld think you'ld splurge a little ...
              trying to save money here is ridiculous. time is money and when
              you come home with amazing memories or photographs, you wont
              miss the cash. if you want to be frugal, eat cheep ... you can
              go out to nice dinners later [and found in hawaii is largely
              go out to nice dinners later [and food in hawaii is largely
              leem or poor price/perf] but take advantage of the unique
              opportunities in hawaii. the other money saving advice: dont
              buy stupid vacation souveniers which just take up space in
              your life. figure out what you want to do and then worry about
              transportation. fixing the transportation options and seeing
              what that lets you do is leem. --king of cheep travel
              what that lets you do is leem. i have a high tolerance for
              discomfort and generally travel quite cheeply, but you've got
              to know when to throw money at problems. you want to set a
              global budget perhaps [like we want to spend $2000-2500 instead
              of $3000], but on a vacation you cant try to optimize every
              step ... too much time overhead. --psb of maghrebia
              \_ She knows the car is really the best option for Maui in
                 general.  It's not the cost of the car she's worried about.
                 The groom's eyes have been really bad lately and she's not
                 a good driver, so she's worried about safety of driving
                 in unknown environment. -op
                 \_ If they can't drive well how the fuck do they get around
                    in California? Are they one of those immigrant drivers
                    who drive 50MPH on the 880/101 carpool lane?
                 \_ Driving there just isn't that hard.  They might want to
                    skip the Hana Highway if they're *really* bad drivers
                    but otherwise they should just get a car.
                    \_ Just drive slowly on the Hana highway.  It's pretty
                       tame but very very doable.  They might just want to
                       make sure to not do it after dark as it gets _very_
                       dark.  And I agree 100% with psb.  -John
        \_ Actually, car rental in Maui doesn't cost all that much. We've been
           paying an average of $30/day and as a rule of thumb, it's cheaper
           when you rent for a whole week. (e.g. you get 7 days for the price
           of 5 days. If she wants it cheaper, buy it as a package (with hotel
           and/or airfare). Hawaii is usually designed to be cheaper when you
           don't buy (airfare, hotel, car) separately.
           \_ If you friends are handicapped, why did you she is frugal?
           \_ If you friends are handicapped, why did you say she is frugal?
              BTW, how much did "they" spend on an engagement ring?