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2006/10/12-14 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:44796 Activity:kinda low
10/12   Who needs science?  Just try and execute people who disagree with you!
        http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568
        \_ Of course what he said as stupid, but lest you shrug off the guilt
        \_ Of course what he said was stupid, but lest you shrug off the guilt
           factor here a little bit... there probably are one or two people who
           honestly believe global warming is a myth, but the vast majority of
           those who louds profess that are doing it for personal gain.  So
           those who loudly profess that are doing it for personal gain.  So
           we've got people whose words and actions have a potential to cause
           millions of deaths a year through inaction on greenhouse gas
           abatement programs, and they're doing it for personal gain.  We have
           no system for trying people for such a thing, but it's something to
           think about.
           \_ One or two people?  And the vast majority of this one or two are
              in it for personal gain?  While the GW-is-real crowd has nothing
              to gain from this and do it from the pure goodness of their
              hearts and love of Mother Earth?  And anyone who dares challenge
              dogma should be tried and executed.  Ok.  At least you're honest
              about it.  I'm pretty sure there used to be a time when science
              was based on the whole concept of conjecture->hypothesis->theory
              ->proof thing with a healthy dose of debate and challenge at
              each step of the way but I guess that has become annoying.  Trial
              followed by execution is so much easier than proving something.
              \_ Yes, and there was debate.. and it's over.  What about the
                 "healthy debate" over the second law of thermodynamics and
                 devices that defy it?  It doesn't exist because one or two
                 quacks don't make a debate.  Likewise one or two tools of the
                 oil industry don't make a debate.
           \_ As opposed to the vast majority of scientists who depend on grant
              money which is affected by fads and fear-mongering?
        \_ Tell you what: anyone caught denying global warming despite knowing
           otherwise who denies it solely on the basis of making a buck ought
           to be shot. How's that for clarification?
           \_ It's honest but you still need help.
              \_ You're right: I'll never get all these people shot by myself.
                 Here, load this.
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epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568
html ) have deemed respectable enough to grant one-on-one interviews to promote their projects, is now advocating Nuremberg-style war crimes trials for skeptics of human caused catastrophic global warming. Grist Magazine's staff writer David Roberts called for the Nuremberg-style trials for the "bastards" who were members of what he termed the global warming "denial industry." Roberts wrote in the online publication on September 19, 2006, "When we've finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we're in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these bastards -- some sort of climate Nuremberg." show_comment s=no ) Gore and Moyers have not yet commented on Grist's advocacy of prosecuting skeptics of global warming with a Nuremberg-style war crimes trial. Gore has used the phrase "global warming deniers" to describe scientists and others who don't share his view of the Earth's climate. It remains to be seen what Gore and Moyers will have to say about proposals to make skepticism a crime comparable to Holocaust atrocities. The use of Holocaust terminology has drawn the ire of Roger Pielke, Jr. of the University of Colorado's Center for Science and Technology Policy Research. "The phrase climate change denier' is meant to be evocative of the phrase holocaust denier,'" Pielke, Jr. This allusion is an affront to those who suffered and died in the Holocaust. This allusion has no place in the discourse on climate change. I say this as someone fully convinced of a significant human role in the behavior of the climate system," Pielke, Jr.