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2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44793 Activity:nil
10/12   http://csua.org/u/h6k (dailymail.co.uk)
        Head of the British Army says "our presence in Iraq exacerbates" the
        "difficulties we are experiencing around the world", says should
        "get ourselves out sometime soon".  Also calls for UK soldiers to
        recover in military wards, and laments decline of "Judeo-Christian
        tradition" in UK and rise of Islamic extremism.
        \_ I love how he manages to blame (apparently secular) liberalism for
           the horrible state of British affairs.
        \_ so he wants the uk to go isolationist and pray to jesus?
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Enlarge the image The head of the Army is calling for British troops to withdraw from Iraq "soon" or risk catastophic consequences for both Iraq and British society. In a devastating broadside at Tony Blair's foreign policy, General Sir Richard Dannatt stated explicitly that the continuing presence of British troops "exacerbates the security problems" in Iraq. Sir Richard Dannatt: A very honest General In an exclusive interview with the Daily Mail, Sir Richard also warns that a "moral and spiritual vacuum" has opened up in British society, which is allowing Muslim extremists to undermine "our accepted way of life." The Chief of the General Staff believes that Christian values are under threat in Britain and that continuing to fight in Iraq will only make the situation worse. They are a total repudiation of the Prime Minister, who has repeatedly insisted that British presence in Iraq is morally right and has had no effect on our domestic security. Sir Richard, who took up his post earlier this year, warned that "our presence in Iraq exacerbates" the "difficulties we are facing around the world." He lambasts Tony Blair's desire to forge a "liberal democracy" in Iraq as a "naive" failure and he warns that "whatever consent we may have had in the first place" from the Iraqi people "has largely turned to intolerance." In one of the most outspoken interviews ever given by a serving soldier, Sir Richard also reveals: * He was "outraged" by reports of injured soldiers recouperating in hospital alongside civilians being confronted by anti-war campaigners who told them to remove their uniforms. But it is Sir Richard's views of the situation in Iraq that will enrage Downing Street. He says clearly we shoud "get ourselves out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the security problems." "We are in a Muslim country and Muslims' views of foreigners in their country are quite clear." As a foreigner, you can be welcomed by being invited in a country, but we werent invited certainly by those in Iraq at the time. "The military campaign we fought in 2003 effectively kicked the door in. Whatever consent we may have had in the first place, may have turned to tolerance and has largely turned to intolerance." I dont say that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by our presence in Iraq but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates them." In comments that set him at loggerheads with Mr Blair, Gen Dannatt warns that the good intentions of 2003 have long since evaporated - pitching British troops into a lethal battle that few at home can understand. "I think history will show that the planning for what happened after the initial successful war fighting phase was poor, probably based more on optimism than sound planning," he said. 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I think it is up to society to realise that is the situation we are in." "We cant wish the Islamist challenge to our society away and I believe that the army both in Iraq and Afghanistan and probably wherever we go next, is fighting the foreign dimension of the challenge to our accepted way of life." "We need to face up to the Islamist threat, to those who act in the name of Islam and in a perverted way try to impose Islam by force on societies that do not wish it." The broader Judaic-Christian tradition has underpinned British society. General Dannatt says he has "more optimism" that "we can get it right in Afghanistan." But he condemned the treatment of injured British soldiers, who have been forced to share wards with civilians in Selly Oak hospital in Birmingham. Sir Richard said he confronted Mr Browne about the "covenant" between a nation and its armed forces. "I said to the Secretary of State the army wont let the nation down but I dont want the nation to let the army down." 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