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10/5 Once again Liberals try to stop speech they don't like:
http://www.nysun.com/article/41020
\_ Do you understand the difference between a stupid crowd trying to
shut up someone they don't like and people trying to pass laws to
limit the freedom of speech?
\_ The op didn't say it was a government action. Op said it was
"Liberals". Do you understand that Liberals are not the
government?
government? Ok, this part is just too funny, "An hour before
Messrs. Stewart and Mr. Gilchrist took the stage, rowdy protests
began outside the auditorium on Broadway, where activists
chanted, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, the Minutemen have got to go!"
\_ The argument is classically phrased as "liberals _claim_ that
they support freedom of speech, but..." and I'm pointing out
that there's a difference between stupid crowds and people
actually voting away our rights, which is what the
conservatives (who are the government, atm) have been doing.
\_ [sorry, restored, i was too fast on the Save button and
smushed your post]. The first point remains. Liberals
do claim and it isn't true. We call that "hypocritical".
My favorite rant was the folks chanting "no free speech
for fascists!" on Sproul's steps. Talk about "not
getting it". Sheesh.
\_ Those were almost certainly communists, who are not
liberals.
\_ Uh... you're just joking, right?
\_ I'd ask if you're really this dumb, but I know
the answer, so I'll just tell you to go fuck
yourself.
\_ Thanks. You have answer all my questions.
Not with the answers you think you have but
thanks for making it so clear. Or maybe you
just didn't read the article.
\_ They actually were Communists on Sproul.
Are you really this dense that you think
liberal==Communist? -!op
\_ I was there on Sproul that day. They
were not Communists although they may
have been communists and they were
definitely liberal and Liberal. Anytime
you'd like to toss out a fact instead of
a personal attack, I'll be here. Have a
nice day.
\_ You mean the David Irving protest?
I was there that day and the protest
was organized by the Revolutionary
Communist Party, who are Communists.
The Spartacus League, which is also
Communist, uses the slogan as well.
Those are the facts, which do not
fit your neat worldview, so you just
resort to attacking me personally. Sad.
fit your neat worldview.
\_ No I dont mean the David Irving
protest. I mean the day a bunch
of nutty people wanted everyone
to clap for peace. Your facts
are unrelated to what I was
talking about.
\_ Hah! That's awesome. Now if they were trying to make
a point about facism and its relation to free speech,
I might be able to respect their intentional irony, but
I don't actually expect they were that witty. Sigh.
People suck. They can be as hypocritical as they want
in personal discourse, but when they start legislating
stupidity, then I'm really pissed off.
\_ They weren't that witty or ironic. The rest of it
was something about how we gathered there should
clap our hands for peace to create good vibes
because: Sproul leads the campus, the campus leads
the Bay Area which leads the State which leads the
Nation which leads the World. Thus by creating good
peace vibes there on Sproul that day we could spread
World Peace around the planet.
\_ Actually, Good Vibrations is down on San Pablo.
\_ Imagine how peaceful the planet would be if
they opened a store in the student union bldg
right there on sproul plaza! I have discovered
the formula for World Peace! You saw it here
first!
\_ Not until we get rid of religious
moralization.
\_ Greetings Humorless Person! |
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| www.nysun.com/article/41020 Students stormed the stage at Columbia University's Roone auditorium yesterday, knocking over chairs and tables and attacking Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutemen, a group that patrols the border between America and Mexico. Mr Gilchrist and Marvin Stewart, another member of his group, were in the process of giving a speech at the invitation of the Columbia College Republicans. They were escorted off the stage unharmed and exited the auditorium by a back door. Having wreaked havoc onstage, the students unrolled a banner that read, in both Arabic and English, "No one is ever illegal." As security guards closed the curtains and began escorting people from the auditorium, the students jumped from the stage, pumping their fists, chanting victoriously, "Si se pudo, si se pudo," Spanish for "Yes we could!" The Minuteman Project, an organization of volunteers founded in 2004 by Mr Gilchrist, aims to keep illegal immigrants out of America by alerting law enforcement officials when they attempt to cross the border. The group uses fiery language and unorthodox tactics to advance its platform. "Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious melting pot,'" the group's Web site warns. The pandemonium that ensued as the evening's keynote speaker took the stage was merely the climax of protest that brewed all week. A number of campus groups, including the Chicano caucus, the African-American student organization, and the International Socialist organization, began planning their protests early this week when they heard that the Minutemen would be arriving on campus. The student protesters, who attended the event clad in white as a sign of dissent, booed and shouted the speakers down throughout. They interrupted Mr Stewart, who is African-American, when he referred to the Declaration of Independence's self-evident truth that "All men are created equal," calling him a racist, a sellout, and a black white supremacist. A student's demand that Mr Stewart speak in Spanish elicited thundering applause and brought the protesters to their feet. The protesters remained standing, turned their backs on Mr Stewart for the remainder of his remarks, and drowned him out by chanting, "Wrap it up, wrap it up!" He simply smiled and bellowed, "No wonder you don't know what you're talking about." "These are racist individuals heading a project that terrorizes immigrants on the US-Mexican border," Ryan Fukumori, a Columbia junior who took part in the protest, told The New York Sun. The student protesters "rush to vindicate themselves with monikers like liberal' and open-minded,' but their actions, their attempt to condemn the Minutemen without even hearing what they have to say, speak otherwise," the president of the Columbia College Republicans, Chris Kulawik, said. On campus, the Republicans' flyers advertising the event were defaced and torn down. The College Republicans expressed their concern about the lack of free speech for opposing viewpoints on the Columbia campus in the wake of the evening's events. "We've often feared that there's not freedom of speech at Columbia for more right-wing views and that was proven tonight," the executive director of the Columbia College Republicans, Lauren Steinberg, said. The Minutemen's arrival at Columbia drew protesters from around the city as well. Stewart and Mr Gilchrist took the stage, rowdy protests began outside the auditorium on Broadway, where activists chanted, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, the Minutemen have got to go!" |