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2006/9/28-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:44590 Activity:very high
9/28    Socialist Republican Gay Giuliani defending Democrat Commie Clinton:
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060928/ap_on_re_us/giuliani_clinton
        \_ Giuliani is as much of an R as Schwarzenegger -- in other words,
           not.  However, if his defense were legitimate, I'd accept it (not
           because I'm an R, but because the issue needs to be more important
           than partisanship).  Both Clinton and Bush deserve blame for 9/11,
           but Clinton should get the larger share since he had a lot longer
           and more opportunites to prevent it.
           \_ go read the book by Richard Clark.  He worked under Clinton
              and yes, he is a Republican.
           \_ Riiiight. since clinton has so much support "to prevent it".
              \_ Leaders lead.  Whiners whine.  "Ohn0es! I'm the most
                 powerful man on the planet but I can't do anything
                 because people might get upset and it might ruin my
                 legacy!"  Whatever.  Clinton as a retired President
                 would best serve his nation as most previous Presidents
                 have: go fishing, write a book, take a phone call here
                 and there and otherwise stop pretending he's still
                 President.  The endless defense of his "legacy" is
                 tiresome.  History will decide his legacy long after
                 we're all dead and it'll be whatever it is.  History is
                 not so easily spun.
                 \_ Clinton is (and has been) more productive as a former
                    president than your darling GW has done as president,
                    so there's no need even to look back at his legacy.
                     \_ You assume much.  Clinton has done nothing but nail
                        various women aroudn the planet and ass cover.  I'm no
                        cheer leader for anyone, unlike yourself.
                        \_ Proof-of-any-type for thatP
                           \_ Tell us what he's done that's been so productive.
                              You're not seriously disputing his running all
                              over nailing various women are you?  Or are you
                              saying he's restricted himself to his Canadian
                              lover?
                              saying he's restricted himself to his gya Canadian
                              Communist lover?
                              Socialist lover?
                              \_ From a purely proof-related perspective, this
                                 problem is best approached by defining what
                                 GWB has accomplished and then reviewing
                                 whether Clinton's accomplishment as a former
                                 President have exceeded that measurement.
                                 \_ From a purely proof related perspective
                                    you said Clinton had some sort of
                                    accomplishments in his post Presidency.
                                    Prove it.  Name some.  Name any.  Name one.
                                    Thanks for playing.  Play_Again_(y/N)_?_
                                    \_ If the value x of GWB's accomplish-
                                       ments is negative, then Clinton wins by
                                       doing nothing.
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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060928/ap_on_re_us/giuliani_clinton
President Clinton is just wrong for many, many reasons, not the least of which is I don't think he deserves it," Giuliani said in response to a question after an appearance with fellow Republican Charlie Crist, who is running for governor. Condoleezza Rice challenged Clinton's claim that he did more than many of his conservative critics to pursue bin Laden, and she accused the Democrat of leaving no comprehensive plan to fight al-Qaida. Giuliani said he believed Clinton, like his successor, did everything he could with the information he was provided. "Every American president I've known would have given his life to prevent an attack like that. That includes President Clinton, President Bush," the former mayor said. "They did the best they could with the information they had at the time." Iraq war had become a "cause celebre" for Islamic extremists demonstrated the need to continue the fight there. They feel that if they could defeat us in Iraq they will have a great victory for terrorism," Giuliani said. "What that should do is organize us to say if they want a big victory in Iraq then we have to deprive them of that victory." Giuliani said he was "very interested in considering" a run for president but would not make a decision until after the November election. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.