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9/25    Starting tomorrow, you can now bring terrorist liquids and gels (<= 3oz
        each) in a single, 1-quart-size zip-lock bag, to be deposited in X-ray
        bin along with your terrorist notebook.  Doublegoodplus.
        http://csua.org/u/h00 (tsa.gov)
        \_ Brought to you by Johnson, a Family Company -- Ziploc, the ONLY
           way to be sure.
        \_ What if I just bring a match and order a lot of liquor and
           light them up during the flight?
            \_ Can you light alcohol lower than, say, 20% alcohol?  Can
               you get stronger alcohol than that on a plane?
               \_ "100 proof" was originally defined as a solution of water
                  and alcohol that, when poured on a pinch of gunpower, would
                  still be flammable.  Turns out to be 57% alcohol.  -tom
        \_ This is so freaking stupid.  Can they even demonstrate how bringing
           liquids on a plane is actually a threat, or is this just more "make
           the public feel safer because we don't let grandmothers on with
           their knitting needles" bullshit?
           \_ I thought knitting needles were allowed again..
              \_ Just drawing parallels with the silly not-really-secure
                 reactionary measures post-9/11
           \_ According to this: http://tinyurl.com/h8xht
              Making explosives like this would require "equipment", 12-36
              hours and produce "vile fumes", not would be impossible to
              hours and produce "vile fumes" --- impossible to
              whip up in a little while in an airplane lavatory.
        \_ What if you're carrying more than 3oz of urine in your bladder?
           \_ Hey, there's a terrorism idea.  Take bleach on airplane.
              Combine with urine in bathroom.  Instant chlorine gas!
                \_ Or breed terrorists with liquid explosive blood and built
                   in detonators.
                   \_ Dude, this should totally be the next Vin Diesel movie.
                        \_ That was a cool Philip K. Dick short story, about
                           a person who is replaced with a perfect android
                           copy fitted with a very powerful bomb.  The
                           android has been programmed not to know he is an
                           android, and the bomb is triggered to go off when
                           the android utters a sentence that shows he has
                           realized he's not the original person and has a
                           bomb inside of him.
                           \_ Impostor, starring Gary Sinise
        \_ Just eat lots of beans right before boarding, and launch an in-fight
           H2S gas attack to poison everyone on board.  No banned substance
           involved.
           \_ Myth: Busted!
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Biographies News & Happenings Agency Adjusts Liquid Ban, Aviation Threat Level Remains High Effective Tuesday, September 26, TSA Is Adjusting The Ban On Liquids, Aerosols And Gels There are two major changes: 1 Travelers may now carry through security checkpoints travel-size toiletries (3 ounces or less) that fit comfortably in ONE, QUART-SIZE, clear plastic, zip-top bag. At the checkpoint travelers will be asked to remove the zip-top bag of liquids and place it in a bin or on the conveyor belt. X-raying separately will allow TSA security officers to more easily examine the declared items. Liquids in containers of 3 ounces or less may be carried in your carry-on bag so long as they are placed in a clear, one-quart plastic bag. In addition, larger amounts of prescription liquid medications, baby formula and diabetic glucose treatments must be declared at the checkpoint for additional screening. It is unlikely that additional changes in the liquid, aerosol and gel policy will be made in the near future. This security regimen applies to all domestic and international flights departing US airports. Travelers should, however, check with transportation security authorities in their country-of-origin for flights originating at non-US airports. For more details on how these measures affect you read our questions and answers on the new measures. Security Measure Questions and Answers Travel Tips To Make Your Screening Experience Hassle-free * The secret to getting through security smoothly is to de-clutter your carry-on bag. This lets our Transportation Security Officers get a clear, uncomplicated X-ray image of your carry-on. Items purchased in the secure boarding area are for use on the immediate flight. If you must leave the secure boarding area and re-enter through the screening checkpoint, items exceeding 3 ounces that are not in the zip-top bag will again be prohibited. The ban on liquids, aerosols and gels was implemented on August 10 after a terrorist plot was foiled. Since then, experts from around the government, including the FBI and our national labs have analyzed the information we now have and have conducted extensive explosives testing to get a better understanding of this specific threat. These changes are intended to enhance security and balance human needs because we have a better understanding of the threat and security risks associated with liquids, aerosols and gels. In addition, TSA will be enhancing security measures throughout the airport environment - more random screening of employees, additional canine patrols, stronger air cargo security measures, more rigorous identity verification, deploying more trained security officers in bomb appraisal, and screening by observation techniques. Know What To Expect Make your screening experience as smooth as possible. Select a video to help you understand the screening process.
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Bin Laden is interested in success not deterrence by failure," Wylde stated. The liquids would need to be carefully distilled at freezing temperatures to extract the required chemicals, which are very difficult to obtain in the purities needed." Once the fluids have been extracted, the process of mixing them produces significant amounts of heat and vile fumes. "The resulting liquid then needs some hours at room temperature for the white crystals that are the explosive to develop." The whole process, which can take between 12 and 36 hours, is "very dangerous, even in a lab, and can lead to premature detonation," said Lt. If there was a conspiracy, he added, "it did not involve manufacturing the explosives in the loo," as this simply "could not have worked." The fumes of the chemicals in the toilet "would be smelt by anybody in the area." They would also inevitably "cause the alarms in the toilet and in the air change system in the aircraft to be triggered. 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